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and it hits me oh my gosh this is that

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triangle you know there's explanation

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for everything that occurred in the

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rendlesham forest incident that doesn't

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involve aliens at all it was completely

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silent it comes right over our head it's

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so a classic flying-saucer really

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standing in the clearing he turned over

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to my father and held his hand and he

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alone welcome to Podcast UFO for our

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and we have alejandro rojas coming up in

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just a minute with the news but before

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as Travis Walton and in the second hour

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filming and etc it's going to be all

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to thank everyone for supporting the

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a lot of nice feedback lately and it's

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redundancy in the news but we do record

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the news later in the week so if

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anything happens during the week you'll

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that's on open minds TV you like that

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don't you alejandro you just called my

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new stale semi-state well you know it's

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not it's not a day fresh you know it

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wasn't stale before you started joining

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me so now what you've done that's the

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change wait just one second I also want

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about that Andhra I didn't really mean

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to offend you it was uh I was saying

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that I was making the I can't really

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backtrack can I now do you screwed up

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already yeah alright so we'll just have

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to put this behind us won't we yeah I'll

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forgive you alright I know what you

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meant and you'll be happy to hear that I

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think everything that we're going to

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talk about today when you and I did not

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discuss on my show so this will be fresh

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news I won't be sale so hopefully that

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makes you and your listeners happy great

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alright well what's what's the first

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story the first thing I want to talk

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about you may not know this there's this

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radio network out there called air an

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online radio network just a superb

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network out there called dark matter

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radio never never never heard of them

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yeah yeah Dark Matter digital they're

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going by these days and they they replay

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open mind UFO radio because I've talked

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says they only put on high quality stuff

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they have a very high standard so maybe

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one day your show can get on that

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a dark something I can't remember see I

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was setting you up so you could say we

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are on that now we're going we're on

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that network but oh my gosh you are Wow

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do you know we are trying to get better

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audio quality of course before well I'll

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let you make the announcement go ahead

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no I just told you that you you got you

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you meet that higher standards to you

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that's congratulations but anyway the

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point being that what I'm getting at is

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that Art Bell is returning to the radio

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so this is a lot of fun and you know

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the the issues was our bill wanted to

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reach more people and not just have to

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have people have to subscribe so that's

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kind of cool because now he's going to

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be on Dark Matter digital and he's going

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casting in very many mediums and I think

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they made a deal with these guys in

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Tennessee is shortwave radio so I didn't

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a dying kind of hobby out there but I'm

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sure there's a you know a lot of people

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doing it I know it's one of our bells

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hobby that's right um yeah to do this

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shortwave radio so that's really cool

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into that you know people from all

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around the world can catch those those

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shows so that'll allow art felt to you

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so I with when he comes on to Dark

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your show w when it's broadcast it'll be

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live it'll be free but the archives

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you'll have a small subscription for you

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where you could get a hold of the

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archives and I guess that subscription

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fee will also get you access to

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something they're going to call the

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wormhole where you'll be able to chat

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and communicate with Art Bell live Wally

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suing the show so really exciting stuff

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I know people are really exciting July

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twentieth I guess sunday July 19th are

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going to do a little test to test

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articles equipment and everything but

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yeah I've been reading that keith has

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really upped his game they've got a lot

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shows out there so I know people are

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really excited for art bells return that

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should be pretty cool huh yeah I'm

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really excited about it because I'm sure

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it's going to really you know create a

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lot new listeners for everybody here and

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something there was some old I was just

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trying to look online some old rock star

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that's really into a shortwave radio do

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you know who I mean no yeah I'm try to

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he's like heavy metal or something like

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that but uh huh and I think he also does

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things like bow and arrow hunting and

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stuff like that do you know who I mean

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does that ring a bell Ted Nugent Ursa I

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think it is hanging goofball that guy's

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character I think it's time like he's on

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shortwave radio so he'll be listening to

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art bell maybe you never know yeah that

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can't even go

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I can't even imagine how that listens it

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separate channel or something you have

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to buy like a radio you have to buy some

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kind of short wave radio I don't know

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some people have equipment you see those

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nerd guys you know with their gigantic

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antennas yeah those one of you

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unfortunately might have one of these

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neighbors there's always one guy in the

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neighborhood you know as one of these

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big antennas because he's into that kind

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of stuff and you can listen to stuff all

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around the world it's probably very

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interesting and probably a fun hobby

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actually to get into but yeah really

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interesting stuff what's cool about this

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too is you know why is this news now

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well because I finally got around to

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writing the story really i think it was

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announced while i was on my cruise

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actually and that's why i'm kind of

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behind that you know behind a bit on

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this but it seems like a lot of the my

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listeners and readers were not aware of

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this so they're really excited about it

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but what's kind of fun to is there's a

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few fan trailers out there so some fans

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are so excited they've done some filming

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and put together these video trailers

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for the return of art bell that are kind

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of fun and I included a couple of those

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in my story well you know the Facebook

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has a limit of five thousand friends and

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I was lucky to get connected with art

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way back so he's updating constantly on

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his facebook page okay cool so check out

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his facebook page yeah all right all

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right so what else is going on okay so

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the next story is a lot of fun now I

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struggled with which stories to choose

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and there are a lot of cool UFO

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sightings out there so people can go to

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open mind stat TV to see some of those

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but I you and I talked about some of

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those during our show and also we have a

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new thing the UFO report Oh back we put

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out on YouTube and we're going to talk

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about those so I chose some other ones

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but this is a really fun one so for

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instance the Montreal Mayor Denis

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Coderre had a video come out and it's

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actually been out for a while but they

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got picked up by the media recently and

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it shows him as a teenager talking about

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a UFO encounter so it's a really fun

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beloved mayor of Montreal people really

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like him in fact he was in the news

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recently because they gave like Al

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Pacino keys to the to the city or

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something like that yesterday but this

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video is really fun it's in French and

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it shows him as a student at like a

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science fair and somehow there's a

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reporter there that interviewed him as a

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kid and they're somehow this reporter

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knew he was into UFOs and the reporter

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asked him why he was fascinated with

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UFOs and his response is that it's

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because of his love for astronomy he

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claims that one night when he was

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observing the night sky he saw a UFO he

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says the object appeared out of nowhere

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I'm floated through the air suddenly

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stopping in its tracks and heading back

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in the other direction Coderre claim

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that this was the moment he knew it was

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not an object from our world but kind of

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a fun story yeah I I hate to say this

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Eleanor but this is still new as we

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talked about it when did we talk about

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it I'm just giving you a hard time on my

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show oh okay yeah no I think it's really

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cool and it's uh it's great that you

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know you think about when someone talks

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about this you know and they're in

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politics a lot of time it's a it's a

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negative or no no but this guy seems

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like it hasn't fazed him in any type of

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way yeah not at all I mean there are

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some people out there and I think that's

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that I think this is a good thing for a

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politician because you seem smarmy when

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you try to backpedal or move away from

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something it's kind of like Dennis

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president and he tried to back away from

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what he had said or when they get caught

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cheating or something like that you know

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when a politician just stands there

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granite says either yeah this really

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happened i think it was interesting

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myself and i think others should think

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it's interesting I mean I you know when

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you're just truly yourself and honest

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about something it helps like you know

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there have been politician to have come

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out and said you guys you know I got

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busted I was I was cheating and

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I apologize it was the wrong thing to do

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oftentimes they come through better than

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when they backpedal and everything and I

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as we know Kucinich when he caught tried

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to backpedal with his UFO sighting kind

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of I didn't go well yeah everybody the

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whole crowd was like cheering mm-hmm and

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they might have done that anyway because

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of the crowd and it was it's kind of a

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you know a topic people feel nervous

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about but if you just would have said

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yeah I had a very strange sighting to

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this day I don't know what it is and

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then continued on with whatever point he

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wanted to make you probably would have

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done a little better and I really

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appreciate it when these politicians

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just kind of stick to their guns it's

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great Jimmy Carter is a good example I

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for the most part and there are times

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where he has backpedaled when he's been

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asked about it but you're right about

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Jimmy Carter I mean a lot of people

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don't know he when he went into office

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he did ask nasa to investigate UFOs and

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after much consternation and back and

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forth with the Air Force they decided

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not to and they actually declined they

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said we're sorry but we decline your

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offer to look into UFOs so we really did

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try to get more investigation into UFOs

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right right so what else is happening

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what else my last story is just kind of

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interesting I because it's it's two of

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these maps now have come out we wrote

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about a few days ago about how a map and

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a really cool interactive UFO map that a

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diet data scientists had made he emailed

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me his site and this information and now

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it's all over the place this cool map

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it's an interactive map that shows UFO

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sightings from 1905 he got the

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information from new fork the national

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UFO Reporting Center and you can go and

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you can click on this map and see all of

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these sightings and in particular he

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focused on the mass sightings so really

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interesting a lot of them from Chicago

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Illinois and these this area named

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Tinsley park in particular and

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coincidentally i can confirm that we are

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going to have the MUFON state director

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from Illinois San moranto who's an

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expert on this speaking at the UFO

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Congress this year so that's going to be

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a lot of fun you and I had spoken about

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this earlier however what has also come

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out is another company just today and

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The Huffington Post wrote about it came

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up with more maps UFO maps based off of

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the same information the new fork

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information these maps are really cool

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they're not interactive where you can

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touch them and click on them and do lots

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of cool stuff these maps are static

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however they have a lot more information

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so you could look at you no sightings

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per capita the different types of shapes

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they have these cool graphic showing the

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shapes and everything so some more

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really cool maps that have been posted

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about UFOs really interesting stuff that

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has gotten in there and it's really

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interesting that you know all of a

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sudden we have all of these UFO maps

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showing up and they they do well in the

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news the mass media picks them up

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usually local areas pick them up to talk

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about you know the UFOs in their area so

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now we have two of these maps out there

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why new fourth data and why not move on

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MUFON gets a lot more sighting reports

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they have a lot more investigators they

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have a bigger footprint across the

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country and internationally however

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unfortunately and I know it's something

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they're working on the MUFON data isn't

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as easy to extract as new fork and

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what's funny is it's not an issue of

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less technology MUFON has too much

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technology they have this database that

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everything goes into whereas new fork

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has a very simple kind of Excel type of

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thing where you can go to his page and

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cut and paste into Excel and you're good

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to go so in this case the more the less

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technological way has been helping him

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to get more attention Wow yeah I was

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wondering about that why they didn't go

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across the board and even use you know

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early early sightings but I I'm trying

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to remember the organization that they

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can't find the files from from way back

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are you familiar oh yeah that's it I can

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guess about a pro we at open mind sake

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TV actually are the only place I know of

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there might be a couple other places but

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I think we were the first because we

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work with the publisher of the a pro

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journals we have every a pro journal up

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on our website that's something offer

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under our UFO resources so you're right

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this isn't a making amazing organization

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with a lot of incredible cases but yeah

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the data as to their report would be

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very interesting it's just an issue of

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you know even when I started

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investigating UFOs with MUFON it was

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still all on paper Wow amazing muldoon

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utilized at this p.m. well hey thanks so

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much alejandro it's my pleasure my

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friend it's always a lot of fun have fun

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talking to travis and jennifer i will so

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hang in everybody and right after the

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okay Jennifer Stein how are you welcome

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to the show hi I'm great thank you so

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much for having me Martin yeah we kind

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of pulled this off at the last minute we

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had a little bit of sound issues but and

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my regular listeners know I'm no

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stranger to sound issues but we got it

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worked out thanks to your help it all

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kind of just something you bought it we

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unboxed it we hooked it up we got it

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going in here we are how about that it's

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great who reads instructions right well

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welcome to the show we we met I think

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two or three years ago at an experiencer

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speak up here in Maine it was very nice

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to meet you and I believe you you you

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talked it yes you did talk at that

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meeting and well good what I'd like to

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do is bring travis in and we'll talk

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about the movie and then on the the

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second part of the show we'll have a

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music break at the top of the hour and

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then we will talk all about you and your

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background your past and some things

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that have happens to flick that but for

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right now I am going to attempt to get

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Travis Walton he should be expecting us

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to call and let's just see if if he does

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hang on just one minute perfect and well

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be it as it may the number dropped off

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so let's see so while I'm waiting and

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looking why don't you just talk quickly

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and how you got into the interested in

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the UFOs to begin with okay it stems

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from a sighting that I had myself in

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1975 interestingly the same year as

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Travis Walton sighting and I was not

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knowledgeable about the UFO topic really

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at all I and the type of sighting I had

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was so unusual that i didn't even know

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if it was really a UFO event or if it

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was like a spiritual experience or

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something I even dreamed it actually who

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event itself stayed in my grey box for

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just about 25 years until I realized I

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was not alone at the time and someone

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else saw and experienced exactly the

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same thing I did and that's when I

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realized when I had the sighting when I

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was 19 turning 20 and then I realized

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okay I can unpack this in my life if I'm

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willing to and it means reading

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connecting with other people and not

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being afraid to talk about this figuring

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out what actually I experienced if I

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even can figure it out that was one of

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those high strangeness events and that's

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what kind of gave me permission I had to

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actually give myself permission to do

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you know make that step make that

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journey and that's actually what I

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presented on when we met Martin when I

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was at it experience your speed I had

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been invited and asked by peter robbins

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and Audrey hewins who coordinate that

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conference to speak about my own

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experiences and at first I thought they

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had asked me to come and speak about

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crop circles which is something i've

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been studying and researching a lot in

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my life but then they said no Jen

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this is your chance and that's the first

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time I actually spoke about my own

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experiences oh that was the first time

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let's try to bring we'll talk more about

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that in the second hour let's try to

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bring in Travis's habits on again yeah i

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just texted him to let him know okay i

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don't know what that will help or not

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well we'll see what happens he usually

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was stopped my texts hello please leave

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a message something like I suppose

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nothing like live radio that's right

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yeah so alright so if you uh you know if

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you text him again just tell him we

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tried him and yeah I'm not surprised if

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you the listeners know who we had him at

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the live event when he was at the

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anniversary he was on on site where the

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whole incident happened and I had rented

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a satellite phone and the whole works

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and and that was yeah that was

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interesting also ah so you did that in

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Hebrew last year that's right okay well

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i was there than to so I was we probably

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crossed paths I was problem solving well

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I could have used you that night well

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what happened was alejandro rojas was

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there and we were talking on the phone

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and he actually was digging through the

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crowd and in the dark looking for Travis

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who finally showed up and we never even

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used the satellite phone Wow but it

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worked well well we're helping to

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improve a lot of the structure and the

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organization of the conference this year

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a wonder a person named Karen broad is

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taking over or Karen barred I'm not

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quite sure how to pronounce her name

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she's a good friend of alejandra's and

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she has conference experience

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and show she'll be running the

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conference this year all right all right

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well I wish I could stop that bringing

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from happening but I can't so I will try

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periodically I will try Travis I can get

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him get him on here yeah I've texted him

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a couple times just to let him know that

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when he's ready or he when he sees his

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text to just text me and I'll tell you

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to call someone on the chat chat room

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Jessa we have a chat room running and it

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said have her detail her odd experience

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opposite of live events what does

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opposite of live events mean I yeah i'm

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not i'm not sure that i'm just reading

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the question oh um okay well i'll be

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happy to talk a little more about it

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since there's been a sure request that's

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come in I was about 19 to 20 years old

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i'm thinking i think i had already

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turned 20 at this point no yeah i said i

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had already turned 20 and it was about

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august at and i was in Pennsylvania

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where I grew up near the lansdale area I

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actually grew up in a small town called

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kulpsville and it was in a period of my

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life where I was writing down my dreams

538
00:24:51,399 --> 00:24:48,740
on a regular basis I had read one of

539
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:51,409
Edgar Cayce's books about understanding

540
00:24:56,889 --> 00:24:53,690
your subconscious and I was in a

541
00:24:59,950 --> 00:24:56,899
stressful situation in my life and I was

542
00:25:02,080 --> 00:24:59,960
trying to find a healthy alternative to

543
00:25:03,909 --> 00:25:02,090
deal with it as I was trying to

544
00:25:06,279 --> 00:25:03,919
understand my dream so next to my bed

545
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:06,289
was journal and a pen that's probably

546
00:25:12,039 --> 00:25:08,330
why I know about this event because I

547
00:25:14,830 --> 00:25:12,049
bothered to note it otherwise it may

548
00:25:17,139 --> 00:25:14,840
have slipped into oblivion as many

549
00:25:19,090 --> 00:25:17,149
things from our young adult life do so i

550
00:25:21,850 --> 00:25:19,100
woke up at about five thirty in the

551
00:25:23,769 --> 00:25:21,860
morning from a dream that I had which

552
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:23,779
was a troubling dream I dreamt I was

553
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:26,210
actually falling from a very high place

554
00:25:30,870 --> 00:25:28,850
which is a little odd I don't know what

555
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:30,880
that means but

556
00:25:34,650 --> 00:25:33,250
I jumped I was falling I saw the ground

557
00:25:36,390 --> 00:25:34,660
coming close to me and I knew I was

558
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:36,400
going to die when I hit the ground and

559
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:37,570
when I hit the ground my whole body

560
00:25:43,770 --> 00:25:40,690
bounced in my bed of course and I woke

561
00:25:45,330 --> 00:25:43,780
up and I realized oh it was a dream some

562
00:25:47,910 --> 00:25:45,340
was about five thirty in the morning so

563
00:25:52,290 --> 00:25:47,920
grab the book next to my bed grab the

564
00:25:54,900 --> 00:25:52,300
pen flipped it open now it was not light

565
00:25:56,790 --> 00:25:54,910
outside completely it was more like what

566
00:25:58,590 --> 00:25:56,800
I call black and white the Sun was

567
00:26:03,210 --> 00:25:58,600
starting to come up and it hadn't fully

568
00:26:04,830 --> 00:26:03,220
come up and I noted that it wasn't quite

569
00:26:08,100 --> 00:26:04,840
light out and I looked at what time it

570
00:26:12,060 --> 00:26:08,110
was and I loaded down in the book and I

571
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:12,070
could see about a mile and a half to two

572
00:26:17,100 --> 00:26:15,010
miles well maybe not that far I I could

573
00:26:19,020 --> 00:26:17,110
see maybe a half a mile out of my pic my

574
00:26:21,180 --> 00:26:19,030
bedroom window I had Georgia see on

575
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:21,190
Windows it was a modern house that my

576
00:26:27,690 --> 00:26:24,730
father had built in the 50s and we had a

577
00:26:30,470 --> 00:26:27,700
little balcony outside and then you know

578
00:26:32,970 --> 00:26:30,480
I pulled on the meadow and we have ID

579
00:26:35,490 --> 00:26:32,980
Mennonite farmland around us and we're

580
00:26:37,290 --> 00:26:35,500
kind of in a valley so I could see this

581
00:26:40,770 --> 00:26:37,300
farmland in this valley out in front of

582
00:26:44,420 --> 00:26:40,780
me and as I'm trying to recapture in my

583
00:26:48,420 --> 00:26:44,430
mind the dream that I had I see this odd

584
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:48,430
rectangle of white brilliant light it is

585
00:26:54,750 --> 00:26:52,690
about if I I took my hand and stretched

586
00:26:57,450 --> 00:26:54,760
it out you know at arm's length and was

587
00:26:59,070 --> 00:26:57,460
holding two quarters and to end which is

588
00:27:01,500 --> 00:26:59,080
very hard to do but you know about the

589
00:27:03,750 --> 00:27:01,510
length of two quarters that would block

590
00:27:06,450 --> 00:27:03,760
this rectangle out that it was very

591
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:06,460
weird it was this rectangle of light and

592
00:27:13,350 --> 00:27:08,890
I looked at it thinking well that's

593
00:27:14,940 --> 00:27:13,360
weird maybe it's a blimp reflecting the

594
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:14,950
Sun coming up or maybe it's an airplane

595
00:27:19,470 --> 00:27:17,650
and it's going to move and then I'll see

596
00:27:21,180 --> 00:27:19,480
what it is so I went back to the brook

597
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:21,190
and I'm thinking about the dream I'll go

598
00:27:24,750 --> 00:27:22,930
back and I look at this light and I go

599
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:24,760
back and look at my journal and back and

600
00:27:28,980 --> 00:27:26,410
look at the light and I'm sitting there

601
00:27:31,980 --> 00:27:28,990
a few minutes and finally the light just

602
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:31,990
gets my attempt to far more than trying

603
00:27:37,950 --> 00:27:35,290
to remember my dream and I say like most

604
00:27:41,340 --> 00:27:37,960
you know young teenagers would like what

605
00:27:44,490 --> 00:27:41,350
the bleep was that right you know what

606
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:44,500
the bleep is that and suddenly

607
00:27:48,420 --> 00:27:46,570
at the moment that I asked the question

608
00:27:51,150 --> 00:27:48,430
what was that light because it wasn't

609
00:27:52,730 --> 00:27:51,160
moving it seemed to be hot burning in

610
00:27:56,130 --> 00:27:52,740
stationary for several minutes

611
00:27:59,370 --> 00:27:56,140
immediately like jumped in and out of

612
00:28:02,040 --> 00:27:59,380
reality moved right outside my bedroom

613
00:28:04,530 --> 00:28:02,050
window less than 500 feet away we had a

614
00:28:06,810 --> 00:28:04,540
big tree in our meadow which was about

615
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:06,820
seven to eight stories high maybe eight

616
00:28:12,630 --> 00:28:10,050
to nine stories high it we could draw

617
00:28:14,430 --> 00:28:12,640
big square around this true like its

618
00:28:16,260 --> 00:28:14,440
branches where as wide as it was high

619
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:16,270
you know you could draw a rectangle

620
00:28:21,900 --> 00:28:19,570
around it and this object this rectangle

621
00:28:24,330 --> 00:28:21,910
of brilliant white light was sitting

622
00:28:27,630 --> 00:28:24,340
above the street almost sitting on top

623
00:28:30,900 --> 00:28:27,640
of it not quite that it was as wide as

624
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:30,910
the tree now this of course shocked me

625
00:28:37,730 --> 00:28:33,730
because if like in a blink of an eye it

626
00:28:41,220 --> 00:28:37,740
was right out there in front of me and I

627
00:28:44,100 --> 00:28:41,230
was shocked I wanted to jump up and move

628
00:28:46,890 --> 00:28:44,110
and run away I wanted to scream I wanted

629
00:28:49,050 --> 00:28:46,900
to yell but very quickly I realized that

630
00:28:52,650 --> 00:28:49,060
I was completely paralyzed and I could

631
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:52,660
not move I couldn't open my mouth to

632
00:28:59,670 --> 00:28:56,170
scream or yell I I couldn't move a

633
00:29:02,490 --> 00:28:59,680
finger I couldn't twitch and I I was

634
00:29:04,890 --> 00:29:02,500
just completely stunned looking at this

635
00:29:10,340 --> 00:29:04,900
thing and I also felt extremely heavy

636
00:29:13,620 --> 00:29:10,350
like if I tried to move I was I was like

637
00:29:17,370 --> 00:29:13,630
prevented by this huge gravity around me

638
00:29:20,370 --> 00:29:17,380
or something if something was odd and I

639
00:29:23,790 --> 00:29:20,380
knew I had some awareness that this

640
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:23,800
object whatever it was was looking at me

641
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:26,290
was studying me was downloading

642
00:29:36,630 --> 00:29:32,170
something it is unclear exactly what

643
00:29:39,270 --> 00:29:36,640
happened but for me it's I noticed a few

644
00:29:41,940 --> 00:29:39,280
things this these were my observations

645
00:29:44,610 --> 00:29:41,950
this object was still undulating

646
00:29:47,130 --> 00:29:44,620
brilliant white light staring at it made

647
00:29:50,850 --> 00:29:47,140
me think I was going to go blind but it

648
00:29:54,180 --> 00:29:50,860
didn't light anything up up like him but

649
00:29:56,580 --> 00:29:54,190
my room was not lit up from it the tree

650
00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:56,590
was not lit up the front of my house was

651
00:30:00,519 --> 00:29:57,690
not lit up by

652
00:30:03,259 --> 00:30:00,529
it was as if it was absorbing light not

653
00:30:05,990 --> 00:30:03,269
putting out light so there was no light

654
00:30:09,740 --> 00:30:06,000
coming out of it but it itself was

655
00:30:13,029 --> 00:30:09,750
brilliant white light likes sunlight it

656
00:30:16,279 --> 00:30:13,039
was like undulated between orange and

657
00:30:18,379 --> 00:30:16,289
right right and different colors shoes

658
00:30:21,169 --> 00:30:18,389
of yellows and every color in between

659
00:30:22,899 --> 00:30:21,179
now this doesn't make sense I know

660
00:30:26,869 --> 00:30:22,909
Martin you're probably thinking

661
00:30:31,970 --> 00:30:26,879
questions in your mind like well this is

662
00:30:34,970 --> 00:30:31,980
weird right and honestly I never heard

663
00:30:37,159 --> 00:30:34,980
anyone have a UFO story that sounded

664
00:30:39,110 --> 00:30:37,169
like this that's why it stayed in my

665
00:30:41,210 --> 00:30:39,120
grey box but back to the rest of the

666
00:30:43,430 --> 00:30:41,220
event tears were falling down my face I

667
00:30:45,110 --> 00:30:43,440
could feel them falling down my face I

668
00:30:48,100 --> 00:30:45,120
was aware that there was water coming

669
00:30:51,799 --> 00:30:48,110
out of my eyes I was aware that

670
00:30:54,230 --> 00:30:51,809
something was happening but I wasn't in

671
00:30:56,810 --> 00:30:54,240
full capacity of what that was and then

672
00:30:58,789 --> 00:30:56,820
I got the input somewhere in my head but

673
00:31:01,999 --> 00:30:58,799
it was leaving whatever was happening

674
00:31:05,210 --> 00:31:02,009
was done and it was going to take off

675
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:05,220
and in that moment it took off in an

676
00:31:12,019 --> 00:31:08,490
opposite direction so it came in from my

677
00:31:15,619 --> 00:31:12,029
left movie right in front of me and then

678
00:31:17,299 --> 00:31:15,629
it took off moving to my light so it it

679
00:31:19,999 --> 00:31:17,309
was when I first saw it it was about

680
00:31:24,409 --> 00:31:20,009
1,500 feet in the air you know and maybe

681
00:31:26,149 --> 00:31:24,419
a half a mile to a mile away and then it

682
00:31:28,399 --> 00:31:26,159
slipped right in next to my house and

683
00:31:32,029 --> 00:31:28,409
then it took off it took off again in

684
00:31:35,180 --> 00:31:32,039
three quick jumps in and out of reality

685
00:31:38,299 --> 00:31:35,190
to about a mile maybe a mile and a half

686
00:31:40,820 --> 00:31:38,309
away and about 1,500 feet near where it

687
00:31:43,249 --> 00:31:40,830
stopped dead for a moment and at that

688
00:31:45,499 --> 00:31:43,259
moment I jumped up went right up to

689
00:31:47,990 --> 00:31:45,509
these Florida ceilings you know glass

690
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:48,000
window panes and looked at the object

691
00:31:52,759 --> 00:31:50,490
and said wait a minute like that just

692
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:52,769
happened who are you what are you what

693
00:31:57,289 --> 00:31:54,690
did I just see what did I just

694
00:32:00,289 --> 00:31:57,299
experienced you know where are you from

695
00:32:02,539 --> 00:32:00,299
and all these questions were just came

696
00:32:04,730 --> 00:32:02,549
right to the surface and I was still

697
00:32:08,539 --> 00:32:04,740
crying and i was looking at this object

698
00:32:11,299 --> 00:32:08,549
and then it just backed out of my v of

699
00:32:14,989 --> 00:32:11,309
my perceptibility as if it

700
00:32:17,899 --> 00:32:14,999
moved away from our atmosphere up into

701
00:32:20,450 --> 00:32:17,909
an upper atmosphere at intense speed I

702
00:32:23,029 --> 00:32:20,460
saw it behind a few clouds for a few

703
00:32:25,999 --> 00:32:23,039
minutes or a few seconds I should say

704
00:32:28,460 --> 00:32:26,009
and then it just blinked out like a

705
00:32:31,279 --> 00:32:28,470
light gets was shut off and we've got

706
00:32:33,019 --> 00:32:31,289
smaller smaller smaller smell are gone

707
00:32:35,539 --> 00:32:33,029
that's the speed with which he

708
00:32:38,299 --> 00:32:35,549
disappeared so I ran into my mother's

709
00:32:41,060 --> 00:32:38,309
room and asked her if she had seen this

710
00:32:44,450 --> 00:32:41,070
object I woke her up she looked at me

711
00:32:46,580 --> 00:32:44,460
and said why are you you know why are

712
00:32:48,470 --> 00:32:46,590
you crying you know no she said well

713
00:32:51,109 --> 00:32:48,480
buyer your pajamas all wet you know she

714
00:32:52,970 --> 00:32:51,119
was looking at me obviously she but see

715
00:32:55,100 --> 00:32:52,980
I was upset she also thought I had been

716
00:32:57,169 --> 00:32:55,110
on drugs because I was so animated and

717
00:33:00,919 --> 00:32:57,179
so upset she asked me if I was taking

718
00:33:04,100 --> 00:33:00,929
drugs and I was like no mom I'm not I'm

719
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:04,110
asking you about this UFO story you know

720
00:33:10,210 --> 00:33:06,330
this this object that was just you i was

721
00:33:12,769 --> 00:33:10,220
i was quite agitated by it and she

722
00:33:15,529 --> 00:33:12,779
didn't want to discuss it with me she

723
00:33:17,210 --> 00:33:15,539
was irritated that i had you know woken

724
00:33:19,970 --> 00:33:17,220
up it was her one morning to sleep in i

725
00:33:21,649 --> 00:33:19,980
think it was a sunday morning so i went

726
00:33:23,239 --> 00:33:21,659
to the bathroom and I walked back in my

727
00:33:25,310 --> 00:33:23,249
room and I looked at the little clock

728
00:33:27,919 --> 00:33:25,320
next to my bed and the clock said seven

729
00:33:31,430 --> 00:33:27,929
o'clock and i said no it can't be seven

730
00:33:33,049 --> 00:33:31,440
o'clock it's not light out and then of

731
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:33,059
course I looked outside and realized it

732
00:33:40,700 --> 00:33:37,490
was light the Sun had silly Rosen and I

733
00:33:43,519 --> 00:33:40,710
SAT back down on my bed and I held my

734
00:33:47,060 --> 00:33:43,529
head like I literally put both hands on

735
00:33:50,619 --> 00:33:47,070
my head and just was trying to wrap my

736
00:33:53,239 --> 00:33:50,629
brain around what had just happened I

737
00:33:55,190 --> 00:33:53,249
went back I laid down just i was

738
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:55,200
cuddling myself and i kept thinking no i

739
00:33:58,100 --> 00:33:56,610
have to write this down i have to write

740
00:34:00,739 --> 00:33:58,110
it all down I don't want to forget this

741
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:00,749
i have to write it all down and all the

742
00:34:05,299 --> 00:34:02,490
energy drained out of me i was so

743
00:34:08,690 --> 00:34:05,309
confused by this time difference and by

744
00:34:12,740 --> 00:34:08,700
this object i had just seen that slipped

745
00:34:14,629 --> 00:34:12,750
right back into a sleep and i had a

746
00:34:15,710 --> 00:34:14,639
couple more dreams i woke up about ten

747
00:34:17,930 --> 00:34:15,720
thirty that morning i immediately

748
00:34:19,849 --> 00:34:17,940
grabbed the journal and i wrote

749
00:34:21,349 --> 00:34:19,859
everything down i wrote down the first

750
00:34:23,809 --> 00:34:21,359
dream I had when I woke up at five

751
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:23,819
thirty i wrote down waking up seeing the

752
00:34:26,930 --> 00:34:24,690
craft

753
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:26,940
when you come in the whole ordeal going

754
00:34:33,500 --> 00:34:28,770
into my mother's room after the event

755
00:34:35,119 --> 00:34:33,510
talking to her I wrote it all down then

756
00:34:36,980 --> 00:34:35,129
about three weeks later I went back and

757
00:34:39,079 --> 00:34:36,990
I looked at the journal as I had been

758
00:34:41,629 --> 00:34:39,089
instructed by this Edgar Cayce book you

759
00:34:43,970 --> 00:34:41,639
know understanding your dreams and I

760
00:34:46,700 --> 00:34:43,980
noted that gee that's interesting I'm

761
00:34:49,369 --> 00:34:46,710
wet night spoke to my mother so this

762
00:34:53,059 --> 00:34:49,379
probably was not all a dream some of it

763
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:53,069
might be unreal so I went my said to my

764
00:34:56,629 --> 00:34:54,690
mom you know mom did I come and wake you

765
00:34:58,430 --> 00:34:56,639
up about two weeks ago and you know ask

766
00:35:01,370 --> 00:34:58,440
you if you saw this UFO and she was

767
00:35:03,589 --> 00:35:01,380
still mad about it she said yes you know

768
00:35:05,300 --> 00:35:03,599
and I'm still pissed off about it I was

769
00:35:08,270 --> 00:35:05,310
like all right that's all he wanted to

770
00:35:11,870 --> 00:35:08,280
know so I noted in the journal well you

771
00:35:13,940 --> 00:35:11,880
know I did talk to my mom so that part's

772
00:35:17,569 --> 00:35:13,950
real but I still didn't know if what I

773
00:35:21,829 --> 00:35:17,579
saw was real until about 25 years later

774
00:35:25,250 --> 00:35:21,839
I was in Hawaii taking an open scuba

775
00:35:28,430 --> 00:35:25,260
dive course and I was visiting a friend

776
00:35:32,270 --> 00:35:28,440
who had traveled with me in a road show

777
00:35:34,700 --> 00:35:32,280
called up with the people i had spent a

778
00:35:37,730 --> 00:35:34,710
year traveling around the world from 18

779
00:35:39,950 --> 00:35:37,740
to 19 in this road show and this fellow

780
00:35:41,690 --> 00:35:39,960
was on the trip with me and he had gone

781
00:35:44,359 --> 00:35:41,700
off and spent a year in Europe and he

782
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:44,369
had just come home from that and he was

783
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:46,530
completely out of money so I had driven

784
00:35:52,430 --> 00:35:49,050
to New York to pick him up and he was

785
00:35:55,309 --> 00:35:52,440
staying with my parents in our house he

786
00:35:57,410 --> 00:35:55,319
was sleeping outside on a porch we had

787
00:36:02,059 --> 00:35:57,420
in a sleeping bag and he had the exact

788
00:36:03,890 --> 00:36:02,069
same view I had one level down now we're

789
00:36:06,109 --> 00:36:03,900
worth visiting we haven't seen each

790
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:06,119
other for maybe five or six years we saw

791
00:36:11,540 --> 00:36:08,490
each other periodically and we would get

792
00:36:13,730 --> 00:36:11,550
together and he would come visit me

793
00:36:15,380 --> 00:36:13,740
where I would go visit him so I'm in

794
00:36:17,420 --> 00:36:15,390
Hawaii I'm visiting him we're cooking

795
00:36:18,710 --> 00:36:17,430
dinner we're drinkin wine were actually

796
00:36:22,190 --> 00:36:18,720
smoking a cigarette which I do

797
00:36:23,510 --> 00:36:22,200
occasionally and he stops and says Jen

798
00:36:25,940 --> 00:36:23,520
I've been meaning to ask you this

799
00:36:28,150 --> 00:36:25,950
forever you have to tell me what

800
00:36:32,510 --> 00:36:28,160
happened when we had that UFO experience

801
00:36:33,980 --> 00:36:32,520
and I took about three steps back the

802
00:36:35,690 --> 00:36:33,990
wine glass completely fell out of my

803
00:36:37,309 --> 00:36:35,700
hands shattered all over his floor I

804
00:36:39,309 --> 00:36:37,319
said what are you

805
00:36:42,589 --> 00:36:39,319
talking about I mean I was suddenly

806
00:36:45,739 --> 00:36:42,599
panicked and disturbed and confused and

807
00:36:48,259 --> 00:36:45,749
I was like wow this is weird that this

808
00:36:52,789 --> 00:36:48,269
you brought this up because I had just

809
00:36:55,130 --> 00:36:52,799
thought you know a few weeks before I

810
00:36:56,989 --> 00:36:55,140
had remembered this event and I thought

811
00:36:58,999 --> 00:36:56,999
it was time to start to unpack it and

812
00:37:01,609 --> 00:36:59,009
now I'm visiting my friend John trevett

813
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:01,619
and he mentions it so I said wait a

814
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:03,690
minute don't even tell me you take a pen

815
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:04,890
and piece of paper you go out in the

816
00:37:09,140 --> 00:37:07,410
backyard you know write your story i'll

817
00:37:11,959 --> 00:37:09,150
do the same thing in the front yard and

818
00:37:13,609 --> 00:37:11,969
then we'll come together and we'll share

819
00:37:15,529 --> 00:37:13,619
i'll read what you wrote you read what i

820
00:37:17,569 --> 00:37:15,539
wrote I don't want you messing with my

821
00:37:20,089 --> 00:37:17,579
memory because I don't remember the we

822
00:37:21,799 --> 00:37:20,099
part of it I remember me but I don't

823
00:37:24,049 --> 00:37:21,809
remember you being there I don't know

824
00:37:26,180 --> 00:37:24,059
what you're talking about and yeah maybe

825
00:37:28,009 --> 00:37:26,190
you have a perception of something else

826
00:37:29,359 --> 00:37:28,019
that happened you know while we were and

827
00:37:31,789 --> 00:37:29,369
up with people or someone you sitting

828
00:37:33,829 --> 00:37:31,799
there Oh Jenna it was while I was at

829
00:37:36,170 --> 00:37:33,839
your house and I went ok here's your pen

830
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:36,180
paper you go write it and so we read

831
00:37:40,789 --> 00:37:38,249
each other stories and basically we had

832
00:37:44,539 --> 00:37:40,799
the same experience now what's very

833
00:37:47,809 --> 00:37:44,549
interesting to me Martin is that John

834
00:37:51,529 --> 00:37:47,819
had some perceptibility that I was

835
00:37:55,130 --> 00:37:51,539
having the same experience he he was I

836
00:37:57,620 --> 00:37:55,140
did not have that I I was totally

837
00:38:01,069 --> 00:37:57,630
unaware of that I thought on me that I

838
00:38:02,689 --> 00:38:01,079
was having the experience and and I even

839
00:38:05,709 --> 00:38:02,699
completely forgot he was at our house I

840
00:38:10,029 --> 00:38:05,719
didn't even write it down in my journal

841
00:38:15,049 --> 00:38:10,039
so that's that's my UFO experience and

842
00:38:17,839 --> 00:38:15,059
that's what I shared in Exeter and you

843
00:38:20,329 --> 00:38:17,849
know i I've still you know gravel with

844
00:38:23,620 --> 00:38:20,339
the experience a little bit I can't tell

845
00:38:26,839 --> 00:38:23,630
you that it's certainly not a typical

846
00:38:33,349 --> 00:38:26,849
UFO it wasn't like a craft that we're

847
00:38:36,349 --> 00:38:33,359
used to seeing like you a disc or us a

848
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:36,359
long cylinder you know a lot of people

849
00:38:41,809 --> 00:38:39,690
talk about these these long pillars or

850
00:38:44,779 --> 00:38:41,819
cylinders they look like columns on

851
00:38:47,229 --> 00:38:44,789
their side maybe that's what I was

852
00:38:49,380 --> 00:38:47,239
perceiving but the way I perceived it I

853
00:38:53,460 --> 00:38:49,390
perceived it as

854
00:38:58,050 --> 00:38:53,470
tangle of brilliant white light so what

855
00:39:00,720 --> 00:38:58,060
what for whatever it's worth that's what

856
00:39:03,570 --> 00:39:00,730
I experience so that opened me and that

857
00:39:06,720 --> 00:39:03,580
when i had the awareness that Jon and I

858
00:39:12,060 --> 00:39:06,730
both had that experience i think it was

859
00:39:14,850 --> 00:39:12,070
around 2000 and and i had just come back

860
00:39:17,430 --> 00:39:14,860
from being in england and studying crop

861
00:39:19,980 --> 00:39:17,440
circles and filming and starting really

862
00:39:21,720 --> 00:39:19,990
starting to step out of my box my

863
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:21,730
children were old enough that I could do

864
00:39:27,210 --> 00:39:25,090
a little traveling on my own and I was

865
00:39:29,250 --> 00:39:27,220
just starting to begin to explore things

866
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:29,260
and I realized that this was my

867
00:39:34,110 --> 00:39:31,330
opportunity to just start to unpack my

868
00:39:36,300 --> 00:39:34,120
UFO experiences so I started going to

869
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:36,310
UFO conferences like the lachlan

870
00:39:42,750 --> 00:39:40,330
conference and I started reading other

871
00:39:46,260 --> 00:39:42,760
people's work you know like peter

872
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:46,270
robbins and rich dolan and Travis Walton

873
00:39:53,130 --> 00:39:51,130
and Linda how I was lucky enough to be

874
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:53,140
friend under how because she lived in

875
00:39:56,700 --> 00:39:55,090
Jameson Pennsylvania and I started

876
00:39:58,710 --> 00:39:56,710
having weekends when my girlfriends but

877
00:40:01,320 --> 00:39:58,720
all come over and Linda would come and

878
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:01,330
we talked for the whole weekend she come

879
00:40:05,550 --> 00:40:02,650
Friday night and she'd still be here

880
00:40:08,190 --> 00:40:05,560
sunday and she would just like this was

881
00:40:12,180 --> 00:40:08,200
like we were getting a doctorate degree

882
00:40:13,950 --> 00:40:12,190
in high strange that's from Linda and it

883
00:40:15,420 --> 00:40:13,960
was wonderful i just got cooking meals

884
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:15,430
i'm putting people to sleep and waking

885
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:18,210
up and making beds and it was a great

886
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:21,130
introduction to all things strange and

887
00:40:30,020 --> 00:40:25,090
odd so I feel really embedded to Linda

888
00:40:34,110 --> 00:40:32,130
talked and we did this when my husband

889
00:40:36,900 --> 00:40:34,120
went off for two weeks to to you know

890
00:40:39,240 --> 00:40:36,910
Japan or China or something on a sales

891
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:39,250
trip and and I had the house to myself I

892
00:40:42,570 --> 00:40:40,450
still had to take care of my children

893
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:42,580
but you know I could I could have

894
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:45,130
company for the weekend which I did hmm

895
00:40:50,150 --> 00:40:47,650
I just want to update everyone I was

896
00:40:53,370 --> 00:40:50,160
able to get ahold of Travis through

897
00:40:55,410 --> 00:40:53,380
texting and he is going to be up in the

898
00:40:58,350 --> 00:40:55,420
second hour so we're just kind of

899
00:40:59,520 --> 00:40:58,360
swapping things around so he was under

900
00:41:01,860 --> 00:40:59,530
the assumption that it was real late

901
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:01,870
tonight and or his time or something

902
00:41:04,650 --> 00:41:02,890
something happened but

903
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:04,660
anyway so he'll be coming on so it's

904
00:41:10,890 --> 00:41:06,130
perfect that you're talking about this

905
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:10,900
in all right we do have a chat room so

906
00:41:15,630 --> 00:41:13,210
occasionally some questions may come in

907
00:41:18,089 --> 00:41:15,640
there up with people someone keeps

908
00:41:21,269 --> 00:41:18,099
asking about that I I actually saw that

909
00:41:22,769 --> 00:41:21,279
somewhere I remember years ago and it

910
00:41:24,029 --> 00:41:22,779
was a bunch of people singing and

911
00:41:26,910 --> 00:41:24,039
dancing right is that kind of what you

912
00:41:32,099 --> 00:41:26,920
did yes that's right yeah thoughts I'd I

913
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:32,109
traveled in 73 seven before that it had

914
00:41:36,569 --> 00:41:33,930
only been incorporated about

915
00:41:41,519 --> 00:41:36,579
two-and-a-half to three years at that

916
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:41,529
point it got started in 68 as a sort of

917
00:41:46,620 --> 00:41:43,690
as an outgrowth of the Kent State

918
00:41:50,269 --> 00:41:46,630
murders and even the Chicago seven there

919
00:41:53,579 --> 00:41:50,279
was a lot of unrest going on and a

920
00:41:56,849 --> 00:41:53,589
couple of wealthy patrons wanted to

921
00:41:58,980 --> 00:41:56,859
channel Ruth's ability to express

922
00:42:00,750 --> 00:41:58,990
themselves and music is a great

923
00:42:04,049 --> 00:42:00,760
international language and music and

924
00:42:06,839 --> 00:42:04,059
dance so it used to be just like all

925
00:42:09,980 --> 00:42:06,849
folk music and then we hired a Hollywood

926
00:42:13,559 --> 00:42:09,990
producer and it turned into a show

927
00:42:15,509 --> 00:42:13,569
without the risers and you know stage

928
00:42:17,730 --> 00:42:15,519
platforms that we danced around on and

929
00:42:19,859 --> 00:42:17,740
and a much bigger band it used to be

930
00:42:23,490 --> 00:42:19,869
just a piano and a couple of guitars and

931
00:42:26,339 --> 00:42:23,500
then we got a sax and horns and you know

932
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:26,349
drums and you know we've got almost a

933
00:42:31,410 --> 00:42:28,450
full orchestra and created something

934
00:42:33,749 --> 00:42:31,420
really special so I try I got in the

935
00:42:35,609 --> 00:42:33,759
very early days and I really thought I

936
00:42:37,799 --> 00:42:35,619
was doing doing something like trying to

937
00:42:39,990 --> 00:42:37,809
help create peace and the world I'm

938
00:42:42,569 --> 00:42:40,000
trying to help people realize that if we

939
00:42:44,789 --> 00:42:42,579
come together and we are willing to

940
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:44,799
communicate and we're willing to share

941
00:42:48,690 --> 00:42:47,170
our differences and actually celebrate

942
00:42:52,950 --> 00:42:48,700
our differences rather than fighting

943
00:42:55,079 --> 00:42:52,960
over them we can create a better world

944
00:42:57,779 --> 00:42:55,089
and the world is really what we create

945
00:42:59,430 --> 00:42:57,789
our own worlds and the world at large so

946
00:43:02,910 --> 00:42:59,440
it was really like a consciousness

947
00:43:04,829 --> 00:43:02,920
movement okay well I don't want to get

948
00:43:07,289 --> 00:43:04,839
too far off track here but I just wanted

949
00:43:09,769 --> 00:43:07,299
to talk quickly about that so one of the

950
00:43:12,930 --> 00:43:09,779
things I had thought of have you ever

951
00:43:16,090 --> 00:43:12,940
had any or thought about having any

952
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:16,100
regression hypnotherapy I

953
00:43:20,050 --> 00:43:18,050
did do a regression I mean I had but you

954
00:43:22,900 --> 00:43:20,060
know bet Hopkins and david jacobs our

955
00:43:25,570 --> 00:43:22,910
bed was a friend and so is David David's

956
00:43:27,700 --> 00:43:25,580
right here in Philadelphia with well you

957
00:43:31,210 --> 00:43:27,710
know not far from me they had both

958
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:31,220
wanted to regress me but I wasn't at me

959
00:43:35,230 --> 00:43:33,650
at that point but I eventually did when

960
00:43:38,500 --> 00:43:35,240
I went to one of the Lucas brooms

961
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:38,510
conferences I met a man by the name of

962
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:40,850
Joe rules and he's written a book called

963
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:45,290
the god hypothesis he is a trained

964
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:47,210
hypnotherapist and he was also a

965
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:50,530
professor I believe in an engineer and

966
00:43:56,770 --> 00:43:53,690
he was also involved in roof on Texas

967
00:43:59,850 --> 00:43:56,780
and he offered to regress me and I felt

968
00:44:02,230 --> 00:43:59,860
like it was the right time and the right

969
00:44:03,910 --> 00:44:02,240
position and this is partially what I

970
00:44:10,530 --> 00:44:03,920
spoke about when I was at the Exeter

971
00:44:13,870 --> 00:44:10,540
conference I was able to have some

972
00:44:16,990 --> 00:44:13,880
deeper insights into the experience and

973
00:44:19,930 --> 00:44:17,000
it sounds rather arrogant and rather

974
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:19,940
strange but I can give you a synopsis of

975
00:44:27,550 --> 00:44:23,810
what the regression revealed it it

976
00:44:32,590 --> 00:44:27,560
revealed that a soul group that I am

977
00:44:34,090 --> 00:44:32,600
part of or a group above other beings I

978
00:44:35,500 --> 00:44:34,100
don't necessarily want to say higher

979
00:44:37,150 --> 00:44:35,510
beings but maybe they'll more

980
00:44:39,910 --> 00:44:37,160
spiritually evolved certainly they had

981
00:44:42,610 --> 00:44:39,920
evolved technology but other beings that

982
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:42,620
I have had previous lifetimes with may

983
00:44:51,340 --> 00:44:45,770
be from another planet or from this

984
00:44:54,790 --> 00:44:51,350
planet i'm not sure but these beings

985
00:44:58,600 --> 00:44:54,800
came to visit me and surrounded me and i

986
00:45:01,420 --> 00:44:58,610
had memory of them i experienced about

987
00:45:03,580 --> 00:45:01,430
eight different doings and when I looked

988
00:45:07,230 --> 00:45:03,590
and I experience them first as balls of

989
00:45:11,380 --> 00:45:07,240
light in the regression and as I went

990
00:45:14,230 --> 00:45:11,390
deeper looking into each in individual

991
00:45:16,330 --> 00:45:14,240
band of light I saw a face I remembered

992
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:16,340
a whole personality I remembered a whole

993
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:19,370
lifetime and these were souls or beings

994
00:45:25,660 --> 00:45:22,130
that I felt extremely close with and

995
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:25,670
that's probably why I was crying I was

996
00:45:32,090 --> 00:45:27,330
having this reunion

997
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:32,100
of sorts and I was being uplifted by

998
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:35,010
them coming to visit me as arrogant as

999
00:45:42,710 --> 00:45:38,490
this sounds it's almost as if it felt

1000
00:45:47,570 --> 00:45:42,720
like part of myself from the future came

1001
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:47,580
to visit myself in my life in 1975 to

1002
00:45:55,220 --> 00:45:51,570
uplift me and to encourage me and to

1003
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:55,230
guide me it and almost like an ailment

1004
00:45:58,790 --> 00:45:57,210
is they don't worry things are going to

1005
00:46:02,900 --> 00:45:58,800
be okay because I was in a very

1006
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:02,910
stressful point in my life my father was

1007
00:46:07,580 --> 00:46:05,370
dying of emphysema my mother was working

1008
00:46:12,590 --> 00:46:07,590
very hard to support a house we could no

1009
00:46:14,270 --> 00:46:12,600
longer afford and I was picking up the

1010
00:46:16,130 --> 00:46:14,280
slack I was mowing seven acres of

1011
00:46:18,890 --> 00:46:16,140
property I was working full time I was

1012
00:46:20,210 --> 00:46:18,900
in school full-time and my parents were

1013
00:46:22,010 --> 00:46:20,220
also an appointment they weren't really

1014
00:46:24,380 --> 00:46:22,020
communicating with each other they both

1015
00:46:27,500 --> 00:46:24,390
may out their deceased and they both

1016
00:46:29,390 --> 00:46:27,510
passed on but they were using me as the

1017
00:46:32,090 --> 00:46:29,400
condiment to communicate with each other

1018
00:46:35,450 --> 00:46:32,100
and that was a very uncomfortable

1019
00:46:37,010 --> 00:46:35,460
position so I was really stressed and I

1020
00:46:38,810 --> 00:46:37,020
was spending a lot of time in an ashram

1021
00:46:41,030 --> 00:46:38,820
and I had a lot of other friends that

1022
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:41,040
were doing things like you know speed

1023
00:46:46,430 --> 00:46:44,490
and mushrooms and you know drinking you

1024
00:46:47,930 --> 00:46:46,440
know getting very drunk on the weekends

1025
00:46:50,650 --> 00:46:47,940
and I didn't want to choose those

1026
00:46:53,210 --> 00:46:50,660
options so I was trying to figure out

1027
00:46:55,550 --> 00:46:53,220
what my life was going to be going

1028
00:46:57,380 --> 00:46:55,560
forward you know I couldn't afford a

1029
00:46:59,270 --> 00:46:57,390
college education like a lot of my

1030
00:47:01,070 --> 00:46:59,280
friends were we're getting but I

1031
00:47:03,170 --> 00:47:01,080
eventually did I worked my way through

1032
00:47:07,910 --> 00:47:03,180
college but I didn't have parents that

1033
00:47:09,590 --> 00:47:07,920
could afford to send me so well I'm you

1034
00:47:12,740 --> 00:47:09,600
know I was just beginning to face my

1035
00:47:14,630 --> 00:47:12,750
adult life and wondering what this is

1036
00:47:16,820 --> 00:47:14,640
going to look like and with this

1037
00:47:18,350 --> 00:47:16,830
situation I have going on how long am I

1038
00:47:22,700 --> 00:47:18,360
going to be stuck here and my parents

1039
00:47:27,050 --> 00:47:22,710
home dealing with this and this UFO

1040
00:47:30,980 --> 00:47:27,060
experience was like a protected wing

1041
00:47:32,830 --> 00:47:30,990
that came out and reached out towards me

1042
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:32,840
and that's what the regression revealed

1043
00:47:40,580 --> 00:47:36,570
as odd as that sounds yeah it is pretty

1044
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:40,590
I have to say it's it's rather odd how

1045
00:47:46,460 --> 00:47:42,890
have people received this when you've

1046
00:47:48,710 --> 00:47:46,470
when you've told them in general I don't

1047
00:47:53,390 --> 00:47:48,720
really talk about it unless people ask

1048
00:47:56,390 --> 00:47:53,400
and depending on where a person is in

1049
00:47:59,720 --> 00:47:56,400
your own life journey I share the story

1050
00:48:01,910 --> 00:47:59,730
and you know limited ways unless I think

1051
00:48:06,260 --> 00:48:01,920
they're really interested in the details

1052
00:48:09,470 --> 00:48:06,270
I imagine that your listeners are maybe

1053
00:48:12,770 --> 00:48:09,480
more interested in the in-depth detail

1054
00:48:14,810 --> 00:48:12,780
and it's an honor to be on your show so

1055
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:14,820
I'm sort of revealing a lot more than I

1056
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:17,610
normally do you know when I've done a

1057
00:48:21,860 --> 00:48:19,290
lot of other shows it's mostly just been

1058
00:48:24,110 --> 00:48:21,870
about what it wasn't like to produce the

1059
00:48:26,930 --> 00:48:24,120
stone with Travis and you know how did

1060
00:48:28,790 --> 00:48:26,940
that go and how did you get started did

1061
00:48:31,490 --> 00:48:28,800
I really haven't spoken a lot about my

1062
00:48:33,260 --> 00:48:31,500
own UFO experiences but this was my

1063
00:48:34,580 --> 00:48:33,270
first sighting now I have had other

1064
00:48:38,620 --> 00:48:34,590
since then and they've all been

1065
00:48:42,260 --> 00:48:38,630
different and but this was really like a

1066
00:48:45,580 --> 00:48:42,270
consciousness push for me it really

1067
00:48:50,260 --> 00:48:45,590
challenged me it challenged me both in

1068
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:50,270
1975 and it again challenged me in two

1069
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:52,650
thousand when I finally realized that

1070
00:48:57,500 --> 00:48:54,930
okay I wasn't the only one that had this

1071
00:49:00,020 --> 00:48:57,510
kind of experience and John had a very

1072
00:49:01,490 --> 00:49:00,030
similar experience and he still wrestles

1073
00:49:04,580 --> 00:49:01,500
with it himself trying to figure out

1074
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:04,590
what it was and what happened but i know

1075
00:49:08,690 --> 00:49:06,450
that this lifetime I've known from a

1076
00:49:12,260 --> 00:49:08,700
very early point that this lifetime is

1077
00:49:14,870 --> 00:49:12,270
about server and it's more of about a

1078
00:49:17,720 --> 00:49:14,880
spiritual journey and that I will

1079
00:49:20,210 --> 00:49:17,730
experience very unusual things may be

1080
00:49:23,140 --> 00:49:20,220
different than people around me I had a

1081
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:23,150
healing when I was 11 from appendicitis

1082
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:27,210
by literally calling on angels or

1083
00:49:33,890 --> 00:49:31,650
calling on a Hyuga and or a higher

1084
00:49:36,590 --> 00:49:33,900
booing to help me because I was growing

1085
00:49:39,380 --> 00:49:36,600
up a PSNI didn't have a religious

1086
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:39,390
foundation to rely on and I didn't want

1087
00:49:42,860 --> 00:49:41,010
to undergo surgery I was away from home

1088
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:42,870
i was in new york city by myself at a

1089
00:49:48,170 --> 00:49:45,930
dance camp staying in a YMCA and I was

1090
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:48,180
about to be rushed off to a hospital for

1091
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:52,170
an appendicitis auto duration and I

1092
00:49:56,170 --> 00:49:53,090
asked for help

1093
00:49:58,360 --> 00:49:56,180
and wow did I get it really freaked me

1094
00:50:00,460 --> 00:49:58,370
out and I thought I was going to have to

1095
00:50:03,250 --> 00:50:00,470
spend the rest of my life as a nun or

1096
00:50:05,650 --> 00:50:03,260
something because i didn't know from

1097
00:50:07,300 --> 00:50:05,660
spiritual journeys what that meant when

1098
00:50:11,650 --> 00:50:07,310
you ask for help and you get it and you

1099
00:50:13,810 --> 00:50:11,660
agree to commit your life to towards a

1100
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:13,820
higher purpose you know I spent a lot of

1101
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:15,410
time trying to figure out what that was

1102
00:50:21,490 --> 00:50:18,290
and now as I'm older in my life I know

1103
00:50:23,860 --> 00:50:21,500
that it relates to creating a grounded

1104
00:50:27,100 --> 00:50:23,870
foundation for other people to begin to

1105
00:50:30,460 --> 00:50:27,110
explore their own experiences and odd

1106
00:50:33,370 --> 00:50:30,470
things that happen to them it's our

1107
00:50:35,260 --> 00:50:33,380
lives are much more multi-layer than we

1108
00:50:36,730 --> 00:50:35,270
realize and we'll live in a

1109
00:50:38,890 --> 00:50:36,740
multi-dimensional universe and

1110
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:38,900
occasionally there are interfaces and

1111
00:50:43,330 --> 00:50:40,970
overlaps from these other dimensions I

1112
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:43,340
think that's where precognition comes in

1113
00:50:50,890 --> 00:50:47,410
and you know having a sixth sense

1114
00:50:54,340 --> 00:50:50,900
perceiving things in the future book or

1115
00:50:56,410 --> 00:50:54,350
they happen or even knowing who's going

1116
00:50:58,870 --> 00:50:56,420
to call you out on a phone or picking up

1117
00:51:01,870 --> 00:50:58,880
another person's thoughts all of these

1118
00:51:04,060 --> 00:51:01,880
things are feasible and possible and

1119
00:51:05,980 --> 00:51:04,070
I've been experiencing them in my life

1120
00:51:10,350 --> 00:51:05,990
for a very long time and trying to find

1121
00:51:15,070 --> 00:51:10,360
the appropriate way to deal with it and

1122
00:51:17,890 --> 00:51:15,080
and and be humbled by it and you know

1123
00:51:21,190 --> 00:51:17,900
not yet to walk lightly on the earth and

1124
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:21,200
to accept those perceptions as the gifts

1125
00:51:28,420 --> 00:51:24,650
that they are and to use them for for

1126
00:51:35,590 --> 00:51:28,430
good and not for malicious intent or

1127
00:51:38,740 --> 00:51:35,600
something else well no now I was just I

1128
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:38,750
was thinking about what you were saying

1129
00:51:44,890 --> 00:51:43,130
and and it reminded me of another story

1130
00:51:46,810 --> 00:51:44,900
that I had heard and I was just trying

1131
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:46,820
to recall that when you were talking

1132
00:51:52,540 --> 00:51:50,810
about the orbs you saw faces in or

1133
00:51:54,430 --> 00:51:52,550
something like that being some of the

1134
00:51:58,450 --> 00:51:54,440
regression I do believe that I actually

1135
00:52:01,420 --> 00:51:58,460
had someone talk about that Oh several

1136
00:52:04,330 --> 00:52:01,430
months ago very similar story well yep

1137
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:04,340
Patti Greer a actually experienced some

1138
00:52:07,420 --> 00:52:05,930
orbs or she interviewed

1139
00:52:11,230 --> 00:52:07,430
one of herself she interviewed a group

1140
00:52:13,870 --> 00:52:11,240
of people in England who SAT was in a

1141
00:52:17,109 --> 00:52:13,880
field and then beings waft it out of

1142
00:52:19,150 --> 00:52:17,119
these orbs appeared floated close to

1143
00:52:21,010 --> 00:52:19,160
people and then regressed back into

1144
00:52:23,470 --> 00:52:21,020
these orbs and then the orbs disappeared

1145
00:52:26,500 --> 00:52:23,480
it was a similar story to that what

1146
00:52:28,809 --> 00:52:26,510
you're saying so I wanted to actually

1147
00:52:31,660 --> 00:52:28,819
talk about something else you are

1148
00:52:35,559 --> 00:52:31,670
involved in the is it the Pennsylvania

1149
00:52:38,710 --> 00:52:35,569
MUFON yes ma'am and how did you and what

1150
00:52:41,319 --> 00:52:38,720
do you do with MUFON and and when did

1151
00:52:43,630 --> 00:52:41,329
you get involved well I actually got

1152
00:52:49,270 --> 00:52:43,640
involved right around 2000 when I came

1153
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:49,280
home from this experience in Hawaii I I

1154
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:51,290
had just come back from a crop circle

1155
00:52:57,190 --> 00:52:54,410
trip with Ruben Uriarte who's the head

1156
00:53:02,010 --> 00:52:57,200
of MUFON in Northern California and we

1157
00:53:04,329 --> 00:53:02,020
were in the crop circles together and I

1158
00:53:07,059 --> 00:53:04,339
asked him if there was a MUFON group in

1159
00:53:12,069 --> 00:53:07,069
Pennsylvania and he said no Jen you're

1160
00:53:13,450 --> 00:53:12,079
going to have to start one so i decided

1161
00:53:15,460 --> 00:53:13,460
i would start a local MUFON group

1162
00:53:18,609 --> 00:53:15,470
because there really wasn't an active

1163
00:53:21,700 --> 00:53:18,619
one Tom Kerry was directing a small

1164
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:21,710
group about maybe 40 minutes from me and

1165
00:53:27,700 --> 00:53:23,690
Tom has written a number of books on

1166
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:27,710
Roswell and Tom said to me you know Jen

1167
00:53:33,370 --> 00:53:31,490
why don't you just take over our little

1168
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:33,380
our local group and do what you're doing

1169
00:53:37,210 --> 00:53:35,690
at the public library so I did I had

1170
00:53:38,770 --> 00:53:37,220
started programming through melodic

1171
00:53:40,809 --> 00:53:38,780
sciences because I've been a member of

1172
00:53:43,329 --> 00:53:40,819
that I met Edgar Mitchell while I was an

1173
00:53:45,339 --> 00:53:43,339
up of people who became friends I got

1174
00:53:47,230 --> 00:53:45,349
involved in New etic sciences and I've

1175
00:53:49,660 --> 00:53:47,240
been studying and researching sort of in

1176
00:53:52,690 --> 00:53:49,670
the spiritual aspect of my life that I

1177
00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:52,700
never made the connection stepping into

1178
00:54:00,160 --> 00:53:57,290
the ufl connections so I have 4 14

1179
00:54:02,559 --> 00:54:00,170
almost 15 years now I do local public

1180
00:54:04,660 --> 00:54:02,569
programming at a local library or once a

1181
00:54:06,970 --> 00:54:04,670
month I either show a film or have a

1182
00:54:09,339 --> 00:54:06,980
speaker or I'm presenting or we have a

1183
00:54:12,490 --> 00:54:09,349
dialogue or discussion or we skype with

1184
00:54:14,829 --> 00:54:12,500
an expert on various topics and they're

1185
00:54:16,930 --> 00:54:14,839
not all ufo-related some our health and

1186
00:54:19,780 --> 00:54:16,940
wellness some are ancient civilization

1187
00:54:22,240 --> 00:54:19,790
but it's basically education outside

1188
00:54:25,030 --> 00:54:22,250
the box that you're not normally going

1189
00:54:27,910 --> 00:54:25,040
to find say I'm on television you know

1190
00:54:31,720 --> 00:54:27,920
or we're usually ahead of the game we're

1191
00:54:33,910 --> 00:54:31,730
showing things five to six years before

1192
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:33,920
they make it to mainstream media so I

1193
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:35,810
introduce people to grounding you know

1194
00:54:41,350 --> 00:54:38,090
technologies earthing technologies

1195
00:54:42,940 --> 00:54:41,360
health and wellness things consciousness

1196
00:54:45,700 --> 00:54:42,950
things and I've brought in all sorts of

1197
00:54:47,890 --> 00:54:45,710
fabulous speakers so this is what I do

1198
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:47,900
for move on I am also a trained field

1199
00:54:54,790 --> 00:54:50,530
investigator but since i'm also a

1200
00:54:57,820 --> 00:54:54,800
filmmaker i want to be able to reserve

1201
00:54:59,800 --> 00:54:57,830
the right to you know make documentaries

1202
00:55:05,530 --> 00:54:59,810
from the people that I interview so I

1203
00:55:07,780 --> 00:55:05,540
don't do film work for 44 MUFON and I

1204
00:55:10,930 --> 00:55:07,790
don't go out and do feel investigations

1205
00:55:12,550 --> 00:55:10,940
right now because I there's a conflict

1206
00:55:14,860 --> 00:55:12,560
of interest there but I do help

1207
00:55:16,450 --> 00:55:14,870
coordinate conferences I've done the

1208
00:55:18,550 --> 00:55:16,460
Pennsylvania MUFON conference with John

1209
00:55:19,990 --> 00:55:18,560
ventre for a number of years now in the

1210
00:55:22,110 --> 00:55:20,000
Philadelphia area and I was very

1211
00:55:25,270 --> 00:55:22,120
involved in the national symposium

1212
00:55:28,780 --> 00:55:25,280
helping to organize that just last year

1213
00:55:31,500 --> 00:55:28,790
when that was here did you have anything

1214
00:55:34,780 --> 00:55:31,510
to do it all with any of the hangar ones

1215
00:55:37,030 --> 00:55:34,790
no I am NOT on the show I don't have

1216
00:55:39,310 --> 00:55:37,040
anything to do with that nobody's

1217
00:55:42,130 --> 00:55:39,320
bothered to ask my opinion on anything

1218
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:42,140
or to be on the show which is fine I'm

1219
00:55:47,100 --> 00:55:44,810
not particularly seeking the limelight

1220
00:55:49,900 --> 00:55:47,110
since I'm a movie or producer myself

1221
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:49,910
right usually more comfortable but you

1222
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:51,890
know behind the camera rather than in

1223
00:55:57,310 --> 00:55:54,170
front of it yeah now let's talk a little

1224
00:56:00,610 --> 00:55:57,320
bit about some of the film shoot you

1225
00:56:04,900 --> 00:56:00,620
have created before this one about

1226
00:56:06,790 --> 00:56:04,910
Travis yes they're on my website at on

1227
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:06,800
wings productions any of your listeners

1228
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:09,410
could go to the website and see the

1229
00:56:14,290 --> 00:56:12,170
major party of that website is focused

1230
00:56:15,970 --> 00:56:14,300
on the Travis film because it's really

1231
00:56:18,250 --> 00:56:15,980
one of the bigger ones that I've really

1232
00:56:22,060 --> 00:56:18,260
undertaken I've done a lot of short

1233
00:56:25,270 --> 00:56:22,070
films and but I have that I did do a

1234
00:56:27,100 --> 00:56:25,280
film with Ron James in California called

1235
00:56:30,970 --> 00:56:27,110
the disclosure dialogues that was the

1236
00:56:33,540 --> 00:56:30,980
last big film project I worked on one

1237
00:56:36,450 --> 00:56:33,550
before I produced

1238
00:56:38,460 --> 00:56:36,460
the Travis film and now Ron is working

1239
00:56:40,740 --> 00:56:38,470
with me again we're actually going to

1240
00:56:42,750 --> 00:56:40,750
come up with a version two of the Travis

1241
00:56:45,390 --> 00:56:42,760
film because there are some things we

1242
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:45,400
would like to improve in the film so

1243
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:47,050
that's currently in the works that's

1244
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:51,130
been keeping me busy all year I see okay

1245
00:56:56,070 --> 00:56:53,170
i'm really honored i'm really honored to

1246
00:56:59,250 --> 00:56:56,080
share that we've won two Emmys with the

1247
00:57:01,290 --> 00:56:59,260
Travis film and we also won two Emmys

1248
00:57:03,780 --> 00:57:01,300
with the disclosure dialogue so when I

1249
00:57:06,510 --> 00:57:03,790
win it opened mine I win big and it's

1250
00:57:09,690 --> 00:57:06,520
really a lot of fun so you were out

1251
00:57:12,240 --> 00:57:09,700
there this februari yes I was I missed

1252
00:57:14,490 --> 00:57:12,250
you I'm sorry i was out there yeah well

1253
00:57:16,710 --> 00:57:14,500
did you come to the banquet that the

1254
00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:16,720
closing banquet i know i had to leave

1255
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:19,570
early i'm called in a start-up and it's

1256
00:57:25,830 --> 00:57:24,370
been crazy soap so i I just was only

1257
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:25,840
able to stay out there for a couple of

1258
00:57:31,740 --> 00:57:29,050
days but we have such a harsh winter

1259
00:57:33,870 --> 00:57:31,750
back here in New England tell me about

1260
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:33,880
yes tell me about no it was worse than

1261
00:57:39,630 --> 00:57:35,770
philly for sure you guys really got

1262
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:39,640
slammed we did I was so happy to go

1263
00:57:45,300 --> 00:57:42,130
there wish I could have stayed there for

1264
00:57:50,780 --> 00:57:45,310
a month so we're going to be ending this

1265
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:50,790
out in just just a minute here so one

1266
00:57:57,420 --> 00:57:55,570
one last thing can you it seems to me

1267
00:58:00,810 --> 00:57:57,430
that you just mentioned earlier your

1268
00:58:03,390 --> 00:58:00,820
your films were they all related to the

1269
00:58:05,460 --> 00:58:03,400
UFO experience more or less no not not

1270
00:58:09,270 --> 00:58:05,470
necessarily I've done some one Zecharia

1271
00:58:11,850 --> 00:58:09,280
Sitchin on crop circles I'm trying to

1272
00:58:14,070 --> 00:58:11,860
think what else is up there on my

1273
00:58:15,570 --> 00:58:14,080
website down there's there's another one

1274
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:15,580
was a friend was killed in a terrorist

1275
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:18,370
attack in Israel so it was a come and

1276
00:58:23,700 --> 00:58:21,250
watch a film about her so there's a long

1277
00:58:27,390 --> 00:58:23,710
you know list of films there people can

1278
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:27,400
look at I see okay all right well we're

1279
00:58:32,930 --> 00:58:30,370
going to stop now and take a quick

1280
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:32,940
little music break but don't go anywhere

1281
00:58:44,519 --> 00:58:36,490
we'll be right back and then we're going

1282
00:58:48,459 --> 00:58:46,689
well we're back I never know what I'm

1283
00:58:51,099 --> 00:58:48,469
going to be clicking on there for music

1284
00:58:53,949 --> 00:58:51,109
that was by Carrie Lloyd White House and

1285
00:58:58,089 --> 00:58:53,959
early we had music by Bruce ranier and

1286
00:59:02,309 --> 00:58:58,099
so we're back with Jennifer Stein and we

1287
00:59:09,489 --> 00:59:02,319
are going to give Travis Walton a try

1288
00:59:12,189 --> 00:59:09,499
and I hope I saved his all right this is

1289
00:59:14,769 --> 00:59:12,199
a this has been a little bit of a

1290
00:59:17,380 --> 00:59:14,779
challenge getting a hold of Travis his

1291
00:59:20,859 --> 00:59:17,390
number just faded out on the screen so

1292
00:59:23,319 --> 00:59:20,869
just hang in there everybody you are

1293
00:59:27,609 --> 00:59:23,329
back right Jennifer I'm right here yep

1294
00:59:30,489 --> 00:59:27,619
alright so here we go I just have to

1295
00:59:35,949 --> 00:59:30,499
type this in and I apologize to the

1296
00:59:50,910 --> 00:59:35,959
listener will get right on this and he

1297
01:00:15,289 --> 01:00:10,559
a morning if he knows this good yeah

1298
01:00:19,049 --> 01:00:15,299
Travis how are you welcome to the show

1299
01:00:24,470 --> 01:00:19,059
great day with you Jennifer's on as well

1300
01:00:27,750 --> 01:00:24,480
and Travis you driving yes that I'll be

1301
01:00:31,260 --> 01:00:27,760
stationary here in a minute okay all

1302
01:00:32,370 --> 01:00:31,270
right so we just had a little bit of a

1303
01:00:42,030 --> 01:00:32,380
mix-up you thought you're going to be on

1304
01:00:45,030 --> 01:00:42,040
later on I guess important for the last

1305
01:00:58,289 --> 01:00:45,040
15 minutes 45 till 11 it would be quite

1306
01:01:01,140 --> 01:00:58,299
late tonight yeah yeah well the time

1307
01:01:03,210 --> 01:01:01,150
difference a little bit to bring our

1308
01:01:06,870 --> 01:01:03,220
time difference I don't see how this is

1309
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:06,880
anywhere near 11 we don't try oh no no I

1310
01:01:12,780 --> 01:01:09,010
know the show is uh yeah the show is

1311
01:01:14,910 --> 01:01:12,790
eight to ten need to tent but anyway

1312
01:01:16,079 --> 01:01:14,920
when do you think you'll be home because

1313
01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:16,089
we're getting a lot of noise here I

1314
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:21,130
might just ring you back all right in

1315
01:01:25,799 --> 01:01:22,450
are we able to call you at the other

1316
01:01:27,870 --> 01:01:25,809
number yo okay i'll call you at this

1317
01:01:32,819 --> 01:01:27,880
this number will call you back Travis

1318
01:01:36,569 --> 01:01:32,829
okay okay all right thanks so another

1319
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:36,579
thing Jennifer's just that we're trying

1320
01:01:39,569 --> 01:01:37,930
to get our sound quality up a little bit

1321
01:01:42,270 --> 01:01:39,579
i think i believe i told you that

1322
01:01:44,609 --> 01:01:42,280
because of as everybody knows of art

1323
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:44,619
bell is coming back on fairly soon and

1324
01:01:49,470 --> 01:01:48,130
that's one of the the pet peeves so to

1325
01:01:52,020 --> 01:01:49,480
speak is to get the really good sound

1326
01:01:56,549 --> 01:01:52,030
quality so hopefully we'll have a better

1327
01:01:59,609 --> 01:01:56,559
better call in just a few minutes so

1328
01:02:02,099 --> 01:01:59,619
that's hugely important for your

1329
01:02:03,670 --> 01:02:02,109
listeners so that's good i really

1330
01:02:06,430 --> 01:02:03,680
appreciate you helping me walk through

1331
01:02:08,140 --> 01:02:06,440
proving my sound yeah which we are

1332
01:02:09,490 --> 01:02:08,150
having a bit of dropout on your internet

1333
01:02:13,329 --> 01:02:09,500
but there's really nothing we can do

1334
01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:13,339
about that at this point yes I apologize

1335
01:02:19,900 --> 01:02:16,250
I don't know why occasionally I hear the

1336
01:02:22,270 --> 01:02:19,910
dropout point ruined mm-hmm okay we're

1337
01:02:25,059 --> 01:02:22,280
talking to since this hours going to be

1338
01:02:28,059 --> 01:02:25,069
about Travis the film why don't you talk

1339
01:02:31,120 --> 01:02:28,069
about how that that whole thing fell

1340
01:02:35,380 --> 01:02:31,130
talking about okay well I've been going

1341
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:35,390
to do what boat conferences as I've

1342
01:02:44,170 --> 01:02:40,730
mentioned and I was asked by peter

1343
01:02:45,700 --> 01:02:44,180
robbins to come out and help him on the

1344
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:45,710
Roswell conference i actually

1345
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:48,170
volunteered myself to kind of do his

1346
01:02:52,630 --> 01:02:49,970
assistant and help and supportive

1347
01:02:54,579 --> 01:02:52,640
because Peter for many years ran the

1348
01:02:57,579 --> 01:02:54,589
Roswell conference so this particular

1349
01:03:00,280 --> 01:02:57,589
year i think it was 2010 Travis was

1350
01:03:03,010 --> 01:03:00,290
there and it's the first time I really

1351
01:03:04,569 --> 01:03:03,020
got to meet Travis personally and we all

1352
01:03:06,460 --> 01:03:04,579
went out to dinner and we started to

1353
01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:06,470
talk about the fact that in a couple of

1354
01:03:11,140 --> 01:03:08,210
years in five years it was going to be

1355
01:03:14,020 --> 01:03:11,150
the 40th anniversary or they have just

1356
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:14,030
had the 35th anniversary or that the

1357
01:03:19,839 --> 01:03:16,970
35th was coming up and I said Travis you

1358
01:03:21,250 --> 01:03:19,849
know all these UFO comfort and says

1359
01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:21,260
we're starting up around the country

1360
01:03:25,299 --> 01:03:22,970
have you ever thought about having a

1361
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:25,309
conference and snowflake because you

1362
01:03:31,539 --> 01:03:27,410
have one of the all-time favorite you

1363
01:03:34,089 --> 01:03:31,549
know top UFO events maybe you should do

1364
01:03:36,309 --> 01:03:34,099
a UFO conference in your own local

1365
01:03:39,970 --> 01:03:36,319
neighborhood it would stimulate you know

1366
01:03:41,770 --> 01:03:39,980
the economy and whatnot I wasn't

1367
01:03:44,230 --> 01:03:41,780
thinking about the film yet you know I

1368
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:44,240
was just running conferences in philly

1369
01:03:49,630 --> 01:03:46,490
and peter was running conferences so we

1370
01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:49,640
started to talk to Travis about this and

1371
01:03:56,620 --> 01:03:52,130
we volunteered ourselves to help him

1372
01:04:00,430 --> 01:03:56,630
coordinate a 30 I guess the 36th

1373
01:04:02,950 --> 01:04:00,440
conference while the 36 never happened

1374
01:04:06,460 --> 01:04:02,960
37th never happened and the 38 never

1375
01:04:09,270 --> 01:04:06,470
happened but the 39th happened and

1376
01:04:12,160 --> 01:04:09,280
partly I think it was because um I

1377
01:04:16,420 --> 01:04:12,170
started to see and realize the potential

1378
01:04:20,230 --> 01:04:16,430
to film and the reason I understood or

1379
01:04:23,710 --> 01:04:20,240
see my way clear you know down the

1380
01:04:25,720 --> 01:04:23,720
corridor to produce a film was again

1381
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:25,730
focused around a conference we decided

1382
01:04:29,950 --> 01:04:27,770
that if it was november and it was

1383
01:04:31,750 --> 01:04:29,960
snowing and Travis wanted to take people

1384
01:04:33,640 --> 01:04:31,760
up to the site where the event took

1385
01:04:35,890 --> 01:04:33,650
place he really doesn't going to be able

1386
01:04:38,590 --> 01:04:35,900
to do that so maybe we ought to produce

1387
01:04:40,930 --> 01:04:38,600
a short piece for the conference that

1388
01:04:45,220 --> 01:04:40,940
would be like a virtual tour of the site

1389
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:45,230
and I agreed to fly out there and this

1390
01:04:50,110 --> 01:04:48,290
is I think in August it was about drew

1391
01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:50,120
those ago was the first time I flew out

1392
01:04:54,250 --> 01:04:52,130
there and I brought another cameraman

1393
01:04:56,260 --> 01:04:54,260
with me in a bunch of equipment and we

1394
01:05:00,070 --> 01:04:56,270
went up into the woods with Travis and

1395
01:05:02,560 --> 01:05:00,080
some of the other crew members showed up

1396
01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:02,570
and we actually did walkthroughs in the

1397
01:05:07,270 --> 01:05:04,850
forest and we talked with them a beef

1398
01:05:10,210 --> 01:05:07,280
shot them going back to the site so i

1399
01:05:13,930 --> 01:05:10,220
think that was for the 38 yet that was

1400
01:05:16,210 --> 01:05:13,940
the 38th year and we edited that

1401
01:05:21,010 --> 01:05:16,220
together and we created a little piece

1402
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:21,020
card tracking stock I fire and it was to

1403
01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:24,410
be used in the place of actually going

1404
01:05:28,780 --> 01:05:26,330
to the site if we couldn't go to the

1405
01:05:30,670 --> 01:05:28,790
site in November you know if Travis got

1406
01:05:33,130 --> 01:05:30,680
it together to organize a conference you

1407
01:05:36,370 --> 01:05:33,140
know this would be a backup once I

1408
01:05:39,180 --> 01:05:36,380
produce that I realized gee you know I'm

1409
01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:39,190
halfway there to a really decent

1410
01:05:44,230 --> 01:05:42,170
documentary all i need is this other

1411
01:05:46,060 --> 01:05:44,240
stuff you know some archive footage and

1412
01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:46,070
some interviews with some experts the

1413
01:05:50,740 --> 01:05:47,690
following year i was planning the mutual

1414
01:05:52,690 --> 01:05:50,750
UFO conference here in philly and the

1415
01:05:56,170 --> 01:05:52,700
world number of experts coming in for

1416
01:06:00,040 --> 01:05:56,180
that so I SAT them down and i had a like

1417
01:06:02,590 --> 01:06:00,050
a major studio set up upstairs in the

1418
01:06:04,180 --> 01:06:02,600
crowne plaza hotel in philadelphia and I

1419
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:04,190
interviewed a group of people and then I

1420
01:06:08,620 --> 01:06:05,930
interviewed other people as well where

1421
01:06:11,170 --> 01:06:08,630
and how I could surrounding the Travis

1422
01:06:13,900 --> 01:06:11,180
story and I then I went out and I found

1423
01:06:15,730 --> 01:06:13,910
the polygraph person I went it and flew

1424
01:06:18,040 --> 01:06:15,740
out to Arizona and interviewed sheriff

1425
01:06:19,890 --> 01:06:18,050
Gillespie and a couple of other people

1426
01:06:22,780 --> 01:06:19,900
you know connected with the story and

1427
01:06:25,020 --> 01:06:22,790
then I edited together a really good

1428
01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:25,030
quality documentary so it'd be kind of

1429
01:06:29,120 --> 01:06:27,890
developed in steps you know it didn't

1430
01:06:32,599 --> 01:06:29,130
happen all

1431
01:06:35,839 --> 01:06:32,609
I didn't even see the potential of being

1432
01:06:37,220 --> 01:06:35,849
able to afford to produce the film when

1433
01:06:39,230 --> 01:06:37,230
we first started talking about the

1434
01:06:41,539 --> 01:06:39,240
conference's hang on we have a caller on

1435
01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:41,549
the line caller please introduce

1436
01:06:48,259 --> 01:06:44,970
yourself and and ask your question hi

1437
01:06:50,930 --> 01:06:48,269
Martin hey oh hey Peggy how are you I'm

1438
01:06:55,670 --> 01:06:50,940
good how are you good long time no talk

1439
01:06:58,970 --> 01:06:55,680
are you Peggy's out in Las Vegas so and

1440
01:07:01,069 --> 01:06:58,980
she helps out with the show she helps

1441
01:07:02,779 --> 01:07:01,079
out every day with the facebook then I

1442
01:07:07,279 --> 01:07:02,789
can't thank you enough for doing that

1443
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:07,289
Peggy oh yes you could okay so do you

1444
01:07:11,809 --> 01:07:09,450
have a question for money well I'm

1445
01:07:14,359 --> 01:07:11,819
really enjoying it Jennifer I enjoyed

1446
01:07:17,749 --> 01:07:14,369
your dream story I I guess I don't have

1447
01:07:21,380 --> 01:07:17,759
a question for her I'm taking ahead to

1448
01:07:23,569 --> 01:07:21,390
when Travis comes on do you mind no go

1449
01:07:26,329 --> 01:07:23,579
ahead well I you know everything I've

1450
01:07:29,299 --> 01:07:26,339
heard Travis speak and I never get tired

1451
01:07:31,999 --> 01:07:29,309
of hearing him I never get enough of his

1452
01:07:34,370 --> 01:07:32,009
description of the human energy do you

1453
01:07:38,420 --> 01:07:34,380
remember that are you talking about the

1454
01:07:40,579 --> 01:07:38,430
ones with the masks I don't know but he

1455
01:07:42,680 --> 01:07:40,589
encountered human-like entities board

1456
01:07:44,599 --> 01:07:42,690
the ship and maybe Jennifer we're going

1457
01:07:47,779 --> 01:07:44,609
to remember that but it seems like

1458
01:07:50,420 --> 01:07:47,789
whenever you spent on or any show it

1459
01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:50,430
cuts off before we get it was just kind

1460
01:07:54,890 --> 01:07:52,170
of said in passing and I would really

1461
01:07:56,539 --> 01:07:54,900
like to have some more information about

1462
01:07:59,359 --> 01:07:56,549
that you know what who do you think

1463
01:08:01,999 --> 01:07:59,369
those people were you know were they

1464
01:08:05,509 --> 01:08:02,009
actually human you know what sort of

1465
01:08:07,819 --> 01:08:05,519
feel he got about them yeah well have to

1466
01:08:09,890 --> 01:08:07,829
ask him he's on because that that is

1467
01:08:13,849 --> 01:08:09,900
fascinating it if i remember right they

1468
01:08:15,230 --> 01:08:13,859
didn't speak at all they were and i

1469
01:08:17,780 --> 01:08:15,240
don't know i heard this description

1470
01:08:19,129 --> 01:08:17,790
somewhere else Peggy's someone said that

1471
01:08:22,550 --> 01:08:19,139
they were actually like really beautiful

1472
01:08:24,769 --> 01:08:22,560
people like amazingly beautiful I'll

1473
01:08:27,079 --> 01:08:24,779
have to ask him about that probably my

1474
01:08:28,849 --> 01:08:27,089
relatives yeah listen what about these

1475
01:08:31,629 --> 01:08:28,859
arms with faces that Jennifer was

1476
01:08:35,329 --> 01:08:31,639
talking about I don't understand that

1477
01:08:42,200 --> 01:08:35,339
well it that's what I experienced in my

1478
01:08:45,860 --> 01:08:42,210
regression I was uh I was up

1479
01:08:47,479 --> 01:08:45,870
asked some questions by Joe rules who

1480
01:08:49,459 --> 01:08:47,489
was doing the regression because all I

1481
01:08:51,079 --> 01:08:49,469
could I was at a certain point where all

1482
01:08:52,430 --> 01:08:51,089
I could just see what's the craft and

1483
01:08:55,760 --> 01:08:52,440
nothing was happening in the regression

1484
01:08:57,650 --> 01:08:55,770
and he said you know can you can you

1485
01:09:01,610 --> 01:08:57,660
move into the craft or can anything from

1486
01:09:03,890 --> 01:09:01,620
the craft mood toward you and when he

1487
01:09:05,630 --> 01:09:03,900
believed me that suggestion then I was

1488
01:09:09,470 --> 01:09:05,640
able to see something and I literally

1489
01:09:11,300 --> 01:09:09,480
stepped into this rectangle of light and

1490
01:09:13,430 --> 01:09:11,310
at the moment that I did I had a few

1491
01:09:16,130 --> 01:09:13,440
quick glimpses of things but then

1492
01:09:17,690 --> 01:09:16,140
suddenly everything shut down and all I

1493
01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:17,700
could see was are these orbs that

1494
01:09:23,150 --> 01:09:20,850
surrounded me oh you know Jennifer I had

1495
01:09:28,550 --> 01:09:23,160
a close encounter experience when I was

1496
01:09:31,550 --> 01:09:28,560
6 and I have never looked into it as far

1497
01:09:33,789 --> 01:09:31,560
as having regression would you recommend

1498
01:09:37,309 --> 01:09:33,799
it do you think it really helped you

1499
01:09:42,079 --> 01:09:37,319
well I still have left with some good

1500
01:09:44,450 --> 01:09:42,089
questions it helped me sort of I don't

1501
01:09:46,579 --> 01:09:44,460
know if what I experienced in my

1502
01:09:49,400 --> 01:09:46,589
regression is actually what happened

1503
01:09:53,390 --> 01:09:49,410
because there's he's the potential that

1504
01:09:56,090 --> 01:09:53,400
we could have mood things up the only

1505
01:09:58,630 --> 01:09:56,100
quality that i took from the regression

1506
01:10:01,820 --> 01:09:58,640
that made me really think it was real

1507
01:10:04,850 --> 01:10:01,830
though was the emotional component that

1508
01:10:07,400 --> 01:10:04,860
I experienced when I looked into each of

1509
01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:07,410
those orbs and I I remembered these

1510
01:10:12,290 --> 01:10:09,930
beings it's like I had memories of

1511
01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:12,300
lifetime's with them and I was so happy

1512
01:10:17,780 --> 01:10:15,090
to see them it was like I had seen

1513
01:10:20,090 --> 01:10:17,790
someone who had been dead for like 200

1514
01:10:21,740 --> 01:10:20,100
years you know a lot of people think

1515
01:10:24,830 --> 01:10:21,750
that all these experiences are

1516
01:10:26,420 --> 01:10:24,840
interrelated near-death experiences you

1517
01:10:30,110 --> 01:10:26,430
know what you see in regression past

1518
01:10:33,140 --> 01:10:30,120
lives and the UFO encounters Oh somehow

1519
01:10:34,970 --> 01:10:33,150
in a real interrelated yes I think that

1520
01:10:40,010 --> 01:10:34,980
they are and I don't think we yet know

1521
01:10:42,740 --> 01:10:40,020
how to language these experiences in the

1522
01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:42,750
appropriate way to really explain that

1523
01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:45,210
that interface but if you study the work

1524
01:10:51,100 --> 01:10:47,610
of Gary Schwartz oh you look at you know

1525
01:10:55,720 --> 01:10:51,110
some of the other great you know

1526
01:10:58,070 --> 01:10:55,730
scientists and physicists that are

1527
01:11:00,740 --> 01:10:58,080
perceiving these other dimensions in the

1528
01:11:02,150 --> 01:11:00,750
unit person just even if you're a

1529
01:11:05,360 --> 01:11:02,160
mathematician and you look at the work

1530
01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:05,370
of Max Planck we are stepping and what

1531
01:11:12,650 --> 01:11:08,010
we're doing in the world yes well we we

1532
01:11:15,380 --> 01:11:12,660
live in a quantum world and and there

1533
01:11:18,430 --> 01:11:15,390
are multiple dimensions there and there

1534
01:11:21,260 --> 01:11:18,440
could be other adversary correct right

1535
01:11:24,110 --> 01:11:21,270
yeah well it's it's it's more than a

1536
01:11:26,300 --> 01:11:24,120
theory it's actually a known fact now so

1537
01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:26,310
I need to know off all Sciences a theory

1538
01:11:32,050 --> 01:11:30,330
I'm sorry well it is yet I think I think

1539
01:11:36,590 --> 01:11:32,060
I think they're on the right track

1540
01:11:40,670 --> 01:11:36,600
there's nothing that's a fact right then

1541
01:11:43,400 --> 01:11:40,680
the facts change that correct yes yes

1542
01:11:46,580 --> 01:11:43,410
and as our ability to have repeatability

1543
01:11:48,530 --> 01:11:46,590
be changes then our our perception of

1544
01:11:50,300 --> 01:11:48,540
what's real changes all right I'm going

1545
01:11:52,760 --> 01:11:50,310
to bring travis on hang in there Peggy

1546
01:11:56,420 --> 01:11:52,770
I'm going I'm going to let you ask him

1547
01:12:05,600 --> 01:11:56,430
that question ok I think I can make this

1548
01:12:14,689 --> 01:12:10,280
one ringy dingy Lily Tomlin that's right

1549
01:12:19,010 --> 01:12:14,699
Who am I saw in concert really she was

1550
01:12:21,740 --> 01:12:19,020
fabulous hello please leave a message oh

1551
01:12:28,459 --> 01:12:21,750
gosh you know that's that's the wrong oh

1552
01:12:33,729 --> 01:12:28,469
lord how okay oh alright so are you

1553
01:12:36,470 --> 01:12:33,739
there everyone still there I'm here um

1554
01:12:39,340 --> 01:12:36,480
okay well you know I'm a thing to worry

1555
01:12:43,189 --> 01:12:39,350
about with regret regressing regression

1556
01:12:45,470 --> 01:12:43,199
therapy is that I have read so much and

1557
01:12:48,350 --> 01:12:45,480
notice how much I'm afraid my mind would

1558
01:12:52,209 --> 01:12:48,360
be cluttered with all of that all right

1559
01:12:58,160 --> 01:12:52,219
I think we think we inadvertently

1560
01:13:03,680 --> 01:12:58,170
dropped the radio station oh dear how no

1561
01:13:09,500 --> 01:13:03,690
one's hearing them I believe so all

1562
01:13:14,240 --> 01:13:09,510
right I think maybe we're back on that

1563
01:13:18,470 --> 01:13:14,250
rampage I'm back you're on now that's

1564
01:13:21,050 --> 01:13:18,480
what the chatroom says hello chat room

1565
01:13:23,419 --> 01:13:21,060
all right good he's back for we're all

1566
01:13:26,270 --> 01:13:23,429
set here sorry about that and that was

1567
01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:26,280
definitely my fault ember I am going to

1568
01:13:33,320 --> 01:13:31,770
try Travis again and you to go ahead and

1569
01:13:36,590 --> 01:13:33,330
talk while I'm trying to work this thing

1570
01:13:40,010 --> 01:13:36,600
out and so Peggy I can tell you a little

1571
01:13:42,229 --> 01:13:40,020
bit about the beings that Travis

1572
01:13:45,109 --> 01:13:42,239
encountered from my understanding of my

1573
01:13:48,260 --> 01:13:45,119
perspective and working with him when he

1574
01:13:50,870 --> 01:13:48,270
woke up he encountered what he described

1575
01:13:53,419 --> 01:13:50,880
as probably greys although they had

1576
01:13:59,570 --> 01:13:53,429
writer faces they were about four feet

1577
01:14:03,410 --> 01:13:59,580
tall big heads good eyes on new tool

1578
01:14:07,370 --> 01:14:03,420
hands and she knows 30 short thin bodies

1579
01:14:11,270 --> 01:14:07,380
and he was frightened by them he said

1580
01:14:13,189 --> 01:14:11,280
they were very ugly and he mustered

1581
01:14:15,229 --> 01:14:13,199
enough strength to get up off the table

1582
01:14:16,910 --> 01:14:15,239
he was on they were standing around him

1583
01:14:20,600 --> 01:14:16,920
while he was on a table he had us

1584
01:14:22,669 --> 01:14:20,610
on there was a device on his chest that

1585
01:14:25,610 --> 01:14:22,679
was probably healing him somewhere in

1586
01:14:27,350 --> 01:14:25,620
his chest he felt very weak and he got

1587
01:14:30,200 --> 01:14:27,360
up off the table grabbed what he thought

1588
01:14:32,330 --> 01:14:30,210
was some sort of glass to amongst a

1589
01:14:34,430 --> 01:14:32,340
group of like medical equipment tools

1590
01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:34,440
that he found on a table in the room

1591
01:14:39,169 --> 01:14:36,690
that was that was some sort that's not

1592
01:14:41,360 --> 01:14:39,179
the part that she was asking about sorry

1593
01:14:42,979 --> 01:14:41,370
to interrupt you I'm she's asking about

1594
01:14:45,169 --> 01:14:42,989
the human like the yanks but what I'm

1595
01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:45,179
trying to explain is that he waved a

1596
01:14:48,979 --> 01:14:47,010
wand to get through my brother food

1597
01:14:52,400 --> 01:14:48,989
supply I'm seeing a movie twice you

1598
01:14:55,850 --> 01:14:52,410
think I'd remember more but Travis you

1599
01:14:59,090 --> 01:14:55,860
normally yes I can hear you we have the

1600
01:15:01,400 --> 01:14:59,100
right number finally hello Travis Travis

1601
01:15:04,459 --> 01:15:01,410
we have paid me on the line i'm sure you

1602
01:15:07,100 --> 01:15:04,469
know Jennifer quite well she's also on

1603
01:15:09,290 --> 01:15:07,110
but Peggy's out in Las Vegas and she had

1604
01:15:11,930 --> 01:15:09,300
e go ahead and ask that question right

1605
01:15:15,410 --> 01:15:11,940
to Travis if you would Peggy hi Travis

1606
01:15:16,820 --> 01:15:15,420
right baby I had a question you've

1607
01:15:19,910 --> 01:15:16,830
probably answered as a hundred times

1608
01:15:22,700 --> 01:15:19,920
that I've never I guess gotten to hear

1609
01:15:25,040 --> 01:15:22,710
it it's about the human-like entities

1610
01:15:27,200 --> 01:15:25,050
that you encountered on while you are on

1611
01:15:32,630 --> 01:15:27,210
the craft I wonder if you could go into

1612
01:15:33,800 --> 01:15:32,640
some detail about that ready move what

1613
01:15:37,459 --> 01:15:33,810
kind of detail do you want a description

1614
01:15:39,320 --> 01:15:37,469
of them well yeah and how you felt about

1615
01:15:46,160 --> 01:15:39,330
them and did you feel that they were

1616
01:15:48,770 --> 01:15:46,170
actually human some kind of a robot that

1617
01:15:52,280 --> 01:15:48,780
was created by the small creatures in

1618
01:15:57,169 --> 01:15:52,290
order to be more you know something to

1619
01:16:00,050 --> 01:15:57,179
me but obviously with an incredibly

1620
01:16:04,430 --> 01:16:00,060
advanced technology if you could create

1621
01:16:06,620 --> 01:16:04,440
a being a machine that could stand in

1622
01:16:09,350 --> 01:16:06,630
the place of a human being you're not

1623
01:16:10,700 --> 01:16:09,360
going to see any signs like you know

1624
01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:10,710
you're looking to hear whirring and

1625
01:16:16,610 --> 01:16:13,530
clicking and jerking movements you know

1626
01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:16,620
it's it's it's gonna be far better than

1627
01:16:21,439 --> 01:16:20,010
that you know my theory is that if it

1628
01:16:24,290 --> 01:16:21,449
was that you wouldn't be able to tell

1629
01:16:27,020 --> 01:16:24,300
anyway but I really don't think that

1630
01:16:29,120 --> 01:16:27,030
that's the case I think that there was

1631
01:16:34,730 --> 01:16:29,130
an independent species

1632
01:16:38,330 --> 01:16:34,740
that was probably involved just because

1633
01:16:44,060 --> 01:16:38,340
they were in a position to communicate

1634
01:16:46,160 --> 01:16:44,070
with you at all no okay was that was

1635
01:16:47,680 --> 01:16:46,170
that a frustrating time for you of

1636
01:16:50,360 --> 01:16:47,690
course the whole thing was but I mean

1637
01:16:52,180 --> 01:16:50,370
that you wanted to communicate with them

1638
01:16:55,990 --> 01:16:52,190
and they they just didn't say anything

1639
01:17:00,080 --> 01:16:56,000
yeah there was no response you know I

1640
01:17:02,990 --> 01:17:00,090
was just out of control I was you know

1641
01:17:05,090 --> 01:17:03,000
screaming in battle rain but they could

1642
01:17:09,110 --> 01:17:05,100
have said something you know let's call

1643
01:17:16,780 --> 01:17:09,120
down or something you know we come in

1644
01:17:20,840 --> 01:17:19,160
doesn't get too confusing with three

1645
01:17:22,730 --> 01:17:20,850
people on the line I was just going to

1646
01:17:25,760 --> 01:17:22,740
ask if you had any other questions for I

1647
01:17:30,760 --> 01:17:25,770
don't I'll listen okay thankthank you

1648
01:17:35,420 --> 01:17:30,770
had a friend thank you travis very why

1649
01:17:40,550 --> 01:17:35,430
bye-bye thanks peggy anyone else is also

1650
01:17:43,340 --> 01:17:40,560
welcome to call into that's 603 967 4030

1651
01:17:46,310 --> 01:17:43,350
there's a question up on the message

1652
01:17:48,050 --> 01:17:46,320
board Travis someone wants to know if

1653
01:17:50,360 --> 01:17:48,060
there were other UFO sightings in the

1654
01:17:52,670 --> 01:17:50,370
area around the time that you were

1655
01:17:54,650 --> 01:17:52,680
abducted and that's a good question

1656
01:17:57,410 --> 01:17:54,660
that's a good question there certainly

1657
01:17:59,630 --> 01:17:57,420
was and there were even some of these

1658
01:18:02,510 --> 01:17:59,640
reports that were in the sheriff file

1659
01:18:04,850 --> 01:18:02,520
that we were able to get a look at years

1660
01:18:08,530 --> 01:18:04,860
later after the case was basically

1661
01:18:11,990 --> 01:18:08,540
closed and also i was contacted

1662
01:18:14,810 --> 01:18:12,000
independently from other hondas campers

1663
01:18:17,240 --> 01:18:14,820
fishermen in the area who saw it go over

1664
01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:17,250
oh yes I remember that there was a

1665
01:18:21,950 --> 01:18:19,130
hunter that that validated that

1666
01:18:27,500 --> 01:18:21,960
afterwards another question up on the

1667
01:18:29,150 --> 01:18:27,510
message board have you know often times

1668
01:18:30,620 --> 01:18:29,160
you hear about people that are abducted

1669
01:18:33,500 --> 01:18:30,630
your case was a little different though

1670
01:18:35,780 --> 01:18:33,510
because it was most likely you think it

1671
01:18:37,880 --> 01:18:35,790
might be most likely a rescue mission as

1672
01:18:40,990 --> 01:18:37,890
you were zapped but someone wants to

1673
01:18:42,680 --> 01:18:41,000
know if they if you've had repeat

1674
01:18:45,800 --> 01:18:42,690
abductions

1675
01:18:49,400 --> 01:18:45,810
that's probably the most common question

1676
01:18:53,450 --> 01:18:49,410
I get almost every single time I go

1677
01:18:59,090 --> 01:18:53,460
anywhere I get that repeatedly and the

1678
01:19:02,570 --> 01:18:59,100
money more than one and I don't have

1679
01:19:06,439 --> 01:19:02,580
anything to report uh-huh well your case

1680
01:19:10,040 --> 01:19:06,449
was not like the typical quote-unquote

1681
01:19:13,459 --> 01:19:10,050
abduction you mean yours was totally on

1682
01:19:15,070 --> 01:19:13,469
quietly and they didn't even want to

1683
01:19:18,170 --> 01:19:15,080
take you but they tried to rescue you

1684
01:19:22,100 --> 01:19:18,180
yeah they were forced to because with my

1685
01:19:24,530 --> 01:19:22,110
unexpected action yeah that's my theory

1686
01:19:27,680 --> 01:19:24,540
anyway I watched the movie by the way

1687
01:19:29,900 --> 01:19:27,690
Peter Robbins sent me the movie and I

1688
01:19:32,450 --> 01:19:29,910
watched it and Jennifer I want to

1689
01:19:34,610 --> 01:19:32,460
compliment you on your great work and

1690
01:19:36,709 --> 01:19:34,620
you're you're beautiful editing and

1691
01:19:39,860 --> 01:19:36,719
Travis you must be pretty pleased with

1692
01:19:42,860 --> 01:19:39,870
the film oh yeah it's exceptional

1693
01:19:44,990 --> 01:19:42,870
definitely and do you feel you know

1694
01:19:46,880 --> 01:19:45,000
everyone knows you there or the story

1695
01:19:49,310 --> 01:19:46,890
not everyone but a lot of people from

1696
01:19:51,350 --> 01:19:49,320
fire in the sky and I know there was a

1697
01:19:53,900 --> 01:19:51,360
lot of things that were a little astray

1698
01:19:56,570 --> 01:19:53,910
in that but still a very popular movie

1699
01:19:59,090 --> 01:19:56,580
still being watched a lot today do you

1700
01:20:01,280 --> 01:19:59,100
feel like this movie that you did just

1701
01:20:03,490 --> 01:20:01,290
kind of puts a lot of those things to

1702
01:20:08,320 --> 01:20:03,500
rest that were different in that movie

1703
01:20:11,620 --> 01:20:08,330
well yeah but you know this film is a

1704
01:20:14,330 --> 01:20:11,630
documenting primarily a magnificent

1705
01:20:16,280 --> 01:20:14,340
reenactments but you know probably the

1706
01:20:19,459 --> 01:20:16,290
only way the original fire in the sky

1707
01:20:22,760 --> 01:20:19,469
will be fully but yes would be for a

1708
01:20:24,770 --> 01:20:22,770
major studio to do we make a further on

1709
01:20:28,189 --> 01:20:24,780
the causation that just sticks closer to

1710
01:20:30,709 --> 01:20:28,199
the real story don't on that kind of

1711
01:20:32,900 --> 01:20:30,719
scale but it certainly is a really

1712
01:20:38,150 --> 01:20:32,910
important step in that direction to set

1713
01:20:41,540 --> 01:20:38,160
the record straight so when you worked

1714
01:20:44,240 --> 01:20:41,550
when you to work together did you start

1715
01:20:46,280 --> 01:20:44,250
at the beginning or did you you know I

1716
01:20:48,080 --> 01:20:46,290
know how I've been involved a little bit

1717
01:20:50,600 --> 01:20:48,090
in some short films and stuff like that

1718
01:20:52,850 --> 01:20:50,610
and I know how you can take any part of

1719
01:20:54,919 --> 01:20:52,860
something and edit in to make it work

1720
01:20:55,880 --> 01:20:54,929
right how did you how did you start with

1721
01:20:57,500 --> 01:20:55,890
this

1722
01:21:00,260 --> 01:20:57,510
well you know it was kind of you know

1723
01:21:03,350 --> 01:21:00,270
whatever wherever we were in particular

1724
01:21:06,620 --> 01:21:03,360
situation or whoever was going to be M

1725
01:21:09,110 --> 01:21:06,630
sell their availability kind of

1726
01:21:10,850 --> 01:21:09,120
determined the time sequence of issues

1727
01:21:13,100 --> 01:21:10,860
which is certainly not chronological

1728
01:21:16,460 --> 01:21:13,110
with the film and you know there were

1729
01:21:18,170 --> 01:21:16,470
some elements that were you know the

1730
01:21:21,440 --> 01:21:18,180
editing decisions about where to put

1731
01:21:24,610 --> 01:21:21,450
those things probably king that's later

1732
01:21:27,620 --> 01:21:24,620
after all the filming was done mm-hmm

1733
01:21:30,380 --> 01:21:27,630
Travis before I forget I wanted to talk

1734
01:21:35,360 --> 01:21:30,390
to you about something I i stumbled

1735
01:21:38,390 --> 01:21:35,370
across a novel see some type of forum

1736
01:21:40,340 --> 01:21:38,400
somewhere where someone was actually

1737
01:21:43,760 --> 01:21:40,350
bashing you you know how that happens

1738
01:21:45,200 --> 01:21:43,770
and and then you you stepped in and

1739
01:21:47,180 --> 01:21:45,210
cleared the air about a lot of things

1740
01:21:50,090 --> 01:21:47,190
that people were asking well how do we

1741
01:21:51,290 --> 01:21:50,100
know this is travis and you ended up but

1742
01:21:56,830 --> 01:21:51,300
are you familiar with that whole

1743
01:22:03,110 --> 01:21:59,480
the people in attack of the people who

1744
01:22:04,910 --> 01:22:03,120
know released and don't confuse me with

1745
01:22:08,060 --> 01:22:04,920
the facts I've got in the pendulum here

1746
01:22:11,150 --> 01:22:08,070
what's the hell men minimum that's what

1747
01:22:13,250 --> 01:22:11,160
the facts later uh-huh now does it just

1748
01:22:16,190 --> 01:22:13,260
drive you crazy though too I mean do you

1749
01:22:17,930 --> 01:22:16,200
do actually search and look to see what

1750
01:22:20,870 --> 01:22:17,940
people are saying or I mean you could go

1751
01:22:25,010 --> 01:22:20,880
crazy doing it well I don't look for

1752
01:22:27,800 --> 01:22:25,020
what no sir probably the only way is if

1753
01:22:29,390 --> 01:22:27,810
somebody friendly to me gives me a heads

1754
01:22:33,800 --> 01:22:29,400
up and say hey you know what sound so

1755
01:22:35,870 --> 01:22:33,810
said over here yes but you know I've

1756
01:22:38,120 --> 01:22:35,880
said many times your name has come up on

1757
01:22:40,250 --> 01:22:38,130
my show in the past and I've said that

1758
01:22:41,360 --> 01:22:40,260
I've SAT right across from you and

1759
01:22:51,770 --> 01:22:41,370
talked with you about this whole

1760
01:22:54,020 --> 01:22:51,780
situation and your work I'm sorry I'm

1761
01:22:57,410 --> 01:22:54,030
sorry that's Jennifer's home phone I've

1762
01:23:04,430 --> 01:22:57,420
just answered it and hung up I'm didn't

1763
01:23:08,649 --> 01:23:04,440
think to the room I apologize and okay

1764
01:23:14,360 --> 01:23:12,010
so you know I totally lost my question

1765
01:23:17,600 --> 01:23:14,370
what are you were sitting across from me

1766
01:23:22,459 --> 01:23:17,610
and we had discussed with the past it's

1767
01:23:23,629 --> 01:23:22,469
just the fact that i 100% believe you

1768
01:23:25,340 --> 01:23:23,639
all the way you know you've been told

1769
01:23:26,600 --> 01:23:25,350
this with my son the other day when

1770
01:23:28,879 --> 01:23:26,610
we're out to dinner you know it's like

1771
01:23:30,770 --> 01:23:28,889
you are you know there's some people

1772
01:23:34,070 --> 01:23:30,780
that I've SAT and talked to Charlie

1773
01:23:38,360 --> 01:23:34,080
faults and Jim wiener and the allagash

1774
01:23:41,240 --> 01:23:38,370
incident and your your case I don't have

1775
01:23:43,010 --> 01:23:41,250
a single question I believe that one

1776
01:23:46,720 --> 01:23:43,020
hundred percent that that happened to

1777
01:23:49,580 --> 01:23:46,730
you and I I just think that if you were

1778
01:23:50,810 --> 01:23:49,590
going to Hulk's any of this I mean that

1779
01:23:53,720 --> 01:23:50,820
there would be a lot of effort to do

1780
01:23:58,040 --> 01:23:53,730
first of all and then your story and

1781
01:24:00,950 --> 01:23:58,050
like like the allagash also has never

1782
01:24:02,959 --> 01:24:00,960
strayed it's um it's never changed maybe

1783
01:24:05,780 --> 01:24:02,969
other people involved in the incident

1784
01:24:08,090 --> 01:24:05,790
may you know say a few things but other

1785
01:24:11,419 --> 01:24:08,100
than that the story remains exactly the

1786
01:24:13,490 --> 01:24:11,429
same and well I just don't understand

1787
01:24:17,800 --> 01:24:13,500
why anybody would want something like

1788
01:24:20,660 --> 01:24:17,810
this to happen to them right yeah

1789
01:24:23,209 --> 01:24:20,670
absolutely I remember the first time we

1790
01:24:26,090 --> 01:24:23,219
met of about two or three years ago and

1791
01:24:28,340 --> 01:24:26,100
I asked you the question if you could go

1792
01:24:31,399 --> 01:24:28,350
back and have this never happened would

1793
01:24:36,649 --> 01:24:31,409
you you know and you said absolutely you

1794
01:24:40,340 --> 01:24:36,659
know there may have been has some good

1795
01:24:41,959 --> 01:24:40,350
come out of this oh yeah you have to

1796
01:24:44,870 --> 01:24:41,969
look for the good in order to cope with

1797
01:24:47,450 --> 01:24:44,880
the bad and so you know you know you

1798
01:24:50,870 --> 01:24:47,460
look around and I've learned a lot about

1799
01:24:54,200 --> 01:24:50,880
a lot of things and you know that's

1800
01:24:56,030 --> 01:24:54,210
that's a good thing right and and then

1801
01:24:58,189 --> 01:24:56,040
also there's been an evolution in

1802
01:24:59,870 --> 01:24:58,199
people's response to it it's much

1803
01:25:02,600 --> 01:24:59,880
different than it used to be you know

1804
01:25:06,979 --> 01:25:02,610
most of time when I go out in public in

1805
01:25:11,320 --> 01:25:06,989
the communities around here I get a lot

1806
01:25:13,879 --> 01:25:11,330
of positive feedback see people now

1807
01:25:16,669 --> 01:25:13,889
someone up on the message board wants to

1808
01:25:20,720 --> 01:25:16,679
know have you ever done regression I

1809
01:25:21,890 --> 01:25:20,730
think you have haven't you yes just a

1810
01:25:23,600 --> 01:25:21,900
few times after

1811
01:25:27,140 --> 01:25:23,610
happened that's the only regression of

1812
01:25:29,360 --> 01:25:27,150
down and I haven't wanted to do anymore

1813
01:25:33,080 --> 01:25:29,370
it was really it was not a good

1814
01:25:35,060 --> 01:25:33,090
situation right well there was it came

1815
01:25:39,080 --> 01:25:35,070
out that there was other memories but it

1816
01:25:41,899 --> 01:25:39,090
was a message that it would be very

1817
01:25:45,200 --> 01:25:41,909
dangerous for me to pursue it and for a

1818
01:25:49,189 --> 01:25:45,210
while I thought that was just a flat

1819
01:25:53,030 --> 01:25:49,199
just a bluff they need to keep keep

1820
01:25:58,040 --> 01:25:53,040
people from prying into that but then it

1821
01:26:01,580 --> 01:25:58,050
came up the idea that perhaps regressing

1822
01:26:04,340 --> 01:26:01,590
someone back in time through a period

1823
01:26:07,850 --> 01:26:04,350
during which they were in cardiac arrest

1824
01:26:09,919 --> 01:26:07,860
might actually cause cardiac arrest now

1825
01:26:11,959 --> 01:26:09,929
understand this is it fear this is

1826
01:26:17,620 --> 01:26:11,969
cardiac arrest from being hit with a

1827
01:26:20,540 --> 01:26:17,630
blast of energy hmm I see and once you

1828
01:26:22,310 --> 01:26:20,550
had a person relive it to that extent

1829
01:26:24,770 --> 01:26:22,320
whether they're and then they're in

1830
01:26:27,500 --> 01:26:24,780
cardiac arrest you'll no longer able to

1831
01:26:31,550 --> 01:26:27,510
get them back out with hypnosis because

1832
01:26:32,990 --> 01:26:31,560
they're they're gone Wow ever hear

1833
01:26:36,140 --> 01:26:33,000
anything like that actually happening

1834
01:26:37,970 --> 01:26:36,150
the one thing I've anybody ever been

1835
01:26:41,479 --> 01:26:37,980
hypnotized about a time when they were

1836
01:26:44,450 --> 01:26:41,489
in cardiac arrest I doubt it I suppose

1837
01:26:49,220 --> 01:26:44,460
that's right do you ever have dreams

1838
01:26:51,560 --> 01:26:49,230
about the incident yeah yeah sure but

1839
01:26:55,580 --> 01:26:51,570
you know him in the aftermath there were

1840
01:26:59,510 --> 01:26:55,590
mostly nightmares and mostly just fear

1841
01:27:03,169 --> 01:26:59,520
based painting based about the smaller

1842
01:27:05,689 --> 01:27:03,179
entities that the later our dreams it

1843
01:27:11,600 --> 01:27:05,699
too much leather or mostly about the

1844
01:27:15,050 --> 01:27:11,610
human take really well and and if I

1845
01:27:18,770 --> 01:27:15,060
remember right of course you you stepped

1846
01:27:21,439 --> 01:27:18,780
off of you basically stepped off for the

1847
01:27:24,140 --> 01:27:21,449
crap possibly in a mothership is that

1848
01:27:26,419 --> 01:27:24,150
right yeah you know it's some kind of a

1849
01:27:28,939 --> 01:27:26,429
base or hangar or possibly a mothership

1850
01:27:32,180 --> 01:27:28,949
yeah yeah I couldn't tell that it was a

1851
01:27:34,340 --> 01:27:32,190
building or a huge ship well yeah that

1852
01:27:35,600 --> 01:27:34,350
whole that whole thing is just totally

1853
01:27:37,810 --> 01:27:35,610
amazing it's hard

1854
01:27:42,910 --> 01:27:37,820
it must be hard to wrap your head around

1855
01:27:47,000 --> 01:27:42,920
exactly what was happening for sure yep

1856
01:27:49,340 --> 01:27:47,010
so Jennifer just I can ask either one of

1857
01:27:52,430 --> 01:27:49,350
you this question when you decided to

1858
01:27:57,169 --> 01:27:52,440
make this movie was there any of the

1859
01:28:01,640 --> 01:27:57,179
people that you try to get on film did

1860
01:28:05,479 --> 01:28:01,650
they decline I don't look already one

1861
01:28:09,590 --> 01:28:05,489
declining actually I have would still

1862
01:28:12,470 --> 01:28:09,600
like to be able to reach mike rogers i

1863
01:28:15,140 --> 01:28:12,480
only have archived footage of mike i was

1864
01:28:20,689 --> 01:28:15,150
not able to interview him directly he's

1865
01:28:24,229 --> 01:28:20,699
the only one of the crew those who died

1866
01:28:26,720 --> 01:28:24,239
yeah yes be and that's was my next

1867
01:28:28,370 --> 01:28:26,730
sentence there are some work for living

1868
01:28:31,240 --> 01:28:28,380
and that's why these films are so

1869
01:28:35,959 --> 01:28:31,250
important to make because you never know

1870
01:28:39,800 --> 01:28:35,969
what what can happen and I just think

1871
01:28:42,560 --> 01:28:39,810
that the younger generations need know

1872
01:28:44,270 --> 01:28:42,570
that this happened 40 years ago and

1873
01:28:47,780 --> 01:28:44,280
these these sorts of things do happen

1874
01:28:51,050 --> 01:28:47,790
and they make the end they might be

1875
01:28:53,600 --> 01:28:51,060
signs to the Future about us having

1876
01:28:55,970 --> 01:28:53,610
eventual contact with other species and

1877
01:28:59,780 --> 01:28:55,980
we'll need to figure out how we're going

1878
01:29:04,520 --> 01:28:59,790
to deal with that you know what how we

1879
01:29:07,430 --> 01:29:04,530
want that to happen so yeah I think that

1880
01:29:09,590 --> 01:29:07,440
these are limited contacts limited

1881
01:29:13,790 --> 01:29:09,600
sightings are a part of that process of

1882
01:29:16,879 --> 01:29:13,800
getting humanity ready for a more open

1883
01:29:20,629 --> 01:29:16,889
acknowledgment people are certainly

1884
01:29:23,570 --> 01:29:20,639
interested in the topic when you do any

1885
01:29:27,169 --> 01:29:23,580
kind of research online about the most

1886
01:29:29,510 --> 01:29:27,179
research topics the UFOs are right up

1887
01:29:30,919 --> 01:29:29,520
there with with porn I think porn is the

1888
01:29:34,939 --> 01:29:30,929
only other thing we catch three

1889
01:29:39,290 --> 01:29:34,949
successful so it's certainly on the

1890
01:29:41,120 --> 01:29:39,300
minds of people around the world right

1891
01:29:42,800 --> 01:29:41,130
and people of the world of having

1892
01:29:46,220 --> 01:29:42,810
experiences you know they're there are

1893
01:29:47,660 --> 01:29:46,230
over 13,000 UFO reported events between

1894
01:29:50,810 --> 01:29:47,670
Canada and the

1895
01:29:53,720 --> 01:29:50,820
it states every year and that's probably

1896
01:29:55,669 --> 01:29:53,730
you know less than ten percent get

1897
01:29:59,689 --> 01:29:55,679
reported so of the ones that get

1898
01:30:01,970 --> 01:29:59,699
reported there's about 13,000 every year

1899
01:30:04,520 --> 01:30:01,980
just in canada and the united states

1900
01:30:06,890 --> 01:30:04,530
alone so just do the math on that you

1901
01:30:08,990 --> 01:30:06,900
know that's that's close to a hundred

1902
01:30:12,070 --> 01:30:09,000
thousand sightings in canada and the

1903
01:30:15,470 --> 01:30:12,080
united states alone every year and then

1904
01:30:18,530 --> 01:30:15,480
it's increasing no i'm getting booked

1905
01:30:20,750 --> 01:30:18,540
orders and friend request little

1906
01:30:24,070 --> 01:30:20,760
countries and obscure places around the

1907
01:30:29,180 --> 01:30:24,080
planet that i've never heard from before

1908
01:30:32,090 --> 01:30:29,190
really wow how do you think that happens

1909
01:30:33,590 --> 01:30:32,100
Travis do you think that's because you

1910
01:30:36,169 --> 01:30:33,600
think it's because of the movie that

1911
01:30:38,240 --> 01:30:36,179
just people start to watch in different

1912
01:30:40,610 --> 01:30:38,250
areas or how does how do you think the

1913
01:30:46,580 --> 01:30:40,620
word gets out there I think it's a

1914
01:30:48,620 --> 01:30:46,590
gradually accumulating senescence of the

1915
01:30:50,120 --> 01:30:48,630
rumor mill you know the stuff that

1916
01:30:53,840 --> 01:30:50,130
people were using to try to shoot it

1917
01:30:56,660 --> 01:30:53,850
down the zabun shot down and has been

1918
01:30:58,550 --> 01:30:56,670
you know suddenly debunk so that you

1919
01:31:01,700 --> 01:30:58,560
know the stuff filters out more and more

1920
01:31:03,500 --> 01:31:01,710
and more and people are even now you

1921
01:31:07,820 --> 01:31:03,510
know people say I hadn't heard of your

1922
01:31:10,970 --> 01:31:07,830
story till now but you know and so it's

1923
01:31:14,270 --> 01:31:10,980
it's still because of the internet I

1924
01:31:18,439 --> 01:31:14,280
think spreading across the planet right

1925
01:31:21,169 --> 01:31:18,449
right Travis going back to your youth

1926
01:31:23,229 --> 01:31:21,179
did you ever pay much attention to UFOs

1927
01:31:26,330 --> 01:31:23,239
or anything you know that whole thing

1928
01:31:29,630 --> 01:31:26,340
well not a lot well it's not like I mean

1929
01:31:34,130 --> 01:31:29,640
everybody's heard of it ya know that it

1930
01:31:36,919 --> 01:31:34,140
wasn't a good tale of life the Romans I

1931
01:31:39,410 --> 01:31:36,929
think Steve Pearce talked a little bit

1932
01:31:41,510 --> 01:31:39,420
about that you know you don't have to

1933
01:31:44,360 --> 01:31:41,520
answer for him but I think that his

1934
01:31:48,470 --> 01:31:44,370
family had some you know had an interest

1935
01:31:50,780 --> 01:31:48,480
in that but tub but his mother was bleh

1936
01:31:53,630 --> 01:31:50,790
absolutely not not an interest but

1937
01:31:57,380 --> 01:31:53,640
actual experiences because they lived

1938
01:31:59,460 --> 01:31:57,390
out east of town out in remote parts of

1939
01:32:03,330 --> 01:31:59,470
the county and

1940
01:32:08,130 --> 01:32:03,340
you know just some things more commonly

1941
01:32:10,050 --> 01:32:08,140
out of it from town I see okay just

1942
01:32:11,370 --> 01:32:10,060
reminding the listener you can jump over

1943
01:32:13,230 --> 01:32:11,380
to the chat room we have quite a few

1944
01:32:16,050 --> 01:32:13,240
people in there right now you can pose a

1945
01:32:17,670 --> 01:32:16,060
question for Travis or Jennifer or you

1946
01:32:23,430 --> 01:32:17,680
can call in the show if you'd like to

1947
01:32:29,250 --> 01:32:23,440
ask a question directly 6039 6740 30 is

1948
01:32:32,310 --> 01:32:29,260
the number and let's see so Travis I was

1949
01:32:34,560 --> 01:32:32,320
trying to think of a hang on just a

1950
01:32:36,690 --> 01:32:34,570
minute looking at a couple of different

1951
01:32:40,850 --> 01:32:36,700
message boards oh yes I want to talk

1952
01:32:44,160 --> 01:32:40,860
about your 40th anniversary coming up

1953
01:32:47,330 --> 01:32:44,170
what do you have planned for that well

1954
01:32:51,000 --> 01:32:47,340
it's a it's a conference I've got a

1955
01:32:56,360 --> 01:32:51,010
really stellar speaker line-up we are

1956
01:32:59,490 --> 01:32:56,370
going to have a sky watch and a tour I

1957
01:33:03,180 --> 01:32:59,500
will accompany people to the actual site

1958
01:33:07,170 --> 01:33:03,190
of the incident so it's kind of like

1959
01:33:09,000 --> 01:33:07,180
last year is this going to be a yearly

1960
01:33:11,670 --> 01:33:09,010
event do you think yeah absolutely

1961
01:33:15,090 --> 01:33:11,680
that's the plan and you know last year

1962
01:33:17,730 --> 01:33:15,100
was a bit of a warm-up for this and that

1963
01:33:19,890 --> 01:33:17,740
no first time out we made a few little

1964
01:33:21,510 --> 01:33:19,900
mistakes showing there I think we're

1965
01:33:24,210 --> 01:33:21,520
going to do a much better job this time

1966
01:33:26,190 --> 01:33:24,220
around mm-hmm that whole area looks

1967
01:33:31,860 --> 01:33:26,200
beautiful is that our do you live in

1968
01:33:35,730 --> 01:33:31,870
that in that area or I'm 30 miles from

1969
01:33:38,310 --> 01:33:35,740
my Hebrew itself but yeah it's so well

1970
01:33:40,320 --> 01:33:38,320
what a pretty country here yeah yeah

1971
01:33:45,630 --> 01:33:40,330
beautiful Jennifer how much time did you

1972
01:33:53,490 --> 01:33:45,640
spend out in that area I spent two weeks

1973
01:33:58,710 --> 01:33:53,500
one week in 2012 2013 and then one week

1974
01:34:01,410 --> 01:33:58,720
in 2014 in the summer in August and we

1975
01:34:04,050 --> 01:34:01,420
drove all around there you know that I

1976
01:34:06,510 --> 01:34:04,060
they mentioned the first piece that my

1977
01:34:10,050 --> 01:34:06,520
co-producer and I produced was called

1978
01:34:12,300 --> 01:34:10,060
tracking sky fire and Bob Theriot took

1979
01:34:15,120 --> 01:34:12,310
the lead on that production piece which

1980
01:34:17,280 --> 01:34:15,130
will be available for sale at at the

1981
01:34:19,170 --> 01:34:17,290
conference I I don't think Bob's going

1982
01:34:21,210 --> 01:34:19,180
to be able to come out but on that

1983
01:34:25,050 --> 01:34:21,220
little film piece it shows you where

1984
01:34:27,230 --> 01:34:25,060
hebert snowflake and her book are these

1985
01:34:31,560 --> 01:34:27,240
are the three towns that are sort of

1986
01:34:34,080 --> 01:34:31,570
connected to the Travis story so on

1987
01:34:35,910 --> 01:34:34,090
they're all about 30 minutes apart from

1988
01:34:43,380 --> 01:34:35,920
each other they're they're quite a drive

1989
01:34:46,470 --> 01:34:43,390
but it's beautiful country on the 18th I

1990
01:34:51,630 --> 01:34:46,480
will be speaking in the vicinity of York

1991
01:34:53,880 --> 01:34:51,640
Pennsylvania at the Phenom upon an event

1992
01:34:57,900 --> 01:34:53,890
there as if people of course enough to

1993
01:35:01,410 --> 01:34:57,910
come to meet Leah I'd be happy to talk

1994
01:35:03,800 --> 01:35:01,420
with you right oh so you're going to be

1995
01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:03,810
in Pennsylvania and I believe you're I

1996
01:35:07,200 --> 01:35:06,010
Travis aren't you heading up you're

1997
01:35:10,290 --> 01:35:07,210
going to be in New England a couple of

1998
01:35:12,090 --> 01:35:10,300
times this this year too aren't you yeah

1999
01:35:14,130 --> 01:35:12,100
we got a number of events we're going to

2000
01:35:19,290 --> 01:35:14,140
be showing the Travis film at the

2001
01:35:21,480 --> 01:35:19,300
experience or speak you can also okay

2002
01:35:23,550 --> 01:35:21,490
I'm trying to read a question on the

2003
01:35:26,430 --> 01:35:23,560
chat room that's directed to you but it

2004
01:35:29,900 --> 01:35:26,440
keeps up it keeps moving okay someone

2005
01:35:36,210 --> 01:35:29,910
wants to know if your encounter affected

2006
01:35:40,640 --> 01:35:36,220
your view of the afterlife well it did

2007
01:35:43,020 --> 01:35:40,650
not affect my religious use at all I

2008
01:35:47,190 --> 01:35:43,030
don't think that there's anything about

2009
01:35:51,540 --> 01:35:47,200
this you get that either contradict so

2010
01:35:55,820 --> 01:35:51,550
you know it's actually if anything it

2011
01:35:59,400 --> 01:35:55,830
affirms you know a spiritual dimension

2012
01:36:01,980 --> 01:35:59,410
just because if the realization that

2013
01:36:05,970 --> 01:36:01,990
there really once you really totally

2014
01:36:10,640 --> 01:36:05,980
accept the existence of infinity length

2015
01:36:15,720 --> 01:36:10,650
of time and of space then everything is

2016
01:36:20,970 --> 01:36:15,730
and not only that it is and has been an

2017
01:36:23,390 --> 01:36:20,980
infinite number of times well

2018
01:36:29,300 --> 01:36:23,400
interesting

2019
01:36:37,080 --> 01:36:33,630
what happened to you say right after

2020
01:36:40,410 --> 01:36:37,090
this whole situation happened did things

2021
01:36:43,010 --> 01:36:40,420
settle down for you did you try to get

2022
01:36:45,690 --> 01:36:43,020
away from the public eye and all that

2023
01:36:48,030 --> 01:36:45,700
well I tried to hide out from the media

2024
01:36:51,810 --> 01:36:48,040
for a few weeks before that just made it

2025
01:36:54,270 --> 01:36:51,820
worse so I had to go and do interviews

2026
01:36:55,860 --> 01:36:54,280
and those who refused to do in and we

2027
01:36:59,340 --> 01:36:55,870
didn't make the story go away it just

2028
01:37:03,810 --> 01:36:59,350
made it worse I'm universe angle on the

2029
01:37:06,330 --> 01:37:03,820
story so it was one of those things

2030
01:37:08,430 --> 01:37:06,340
where you know when I was refusing them

2031
01:37:09,840 --> 01:37:08,440
and I had something to hide and then

2032
01:37:12,540 --> 01:37:09,850
when I put the interviews I was a

2033
01:37:15,180 --> 01:37:12,550
publicity seeker so you know one or the

2034
01:37:17,640 --> 01:37:15,190
other we damned if you do and damned if

2035
01:37:21,090 --> 01:37:17,650
you don't with the people who want to

2036
01:37:24,570 --> 01:37:21,100
take a negative view but it took a long

2037
01:37:27,120 --> 01:37:24,580
time before things slowly you know quit

2038
01:37:30,390 --> 01:37:27,130
being just a total madhouse did you

2039
01:37:32,400 --> 01:37:30,400
actually like did like were you going to

2040
01:37:34,560 --> 01:37:32,410
like new york and california places like

2041
01:37:37,740 --> 01:37:34,570
that and being publicly interviewed on

2042
01:37:41,070 --> 01:37:37,750
television and stuff right after bills

2043
01:37:43,560 --> 01:37:41,080
are some some of that i get a show

2044
01:37:48,120 --> 01:37:43,570
called the unexplained a pilot with the

2045
01:37:52,260 --> 01:37:48,130
leonard menorah which i send a remake of

2046
01:37:55,320 --> 01:37:52,270
it here last week two weeks ago and that

2047
01:37:57,330 --> 01:37:55,330
is still in post-production that

2048
01:38:01,910 --> 01:37:57,340
obviously without lender no more this

2049
01:38:04,710 --> 01:38:01,920
time yea yea travis Witcher what's your

2050
01:38:09,300 --> 01:38:04,720
daily life like as far as people

2051
01:38:11,760 --> 01:38:09,310
reaching out to you well like I was

2052
01:38:13,830 --> 01:38:11,770
saying surprisingly in the community

2053
01:38:16,040 --> 01:38:13,840
used to have people just point in the

2054
01:38:18,810 --> 01:38:16,050
whisper and you know you could tell they

2055
01:38:22,590 --> 01:38:18,820
knew who I was but don't say anything

2056
01:38:24,690 --> 01:38:22,600
but now I'm read it in a finger way just

2057
01:38:29,100 --> 01:38:24,700
basically know some time ago out which

2058
01:38:32,370 --> 01:38:29,110
is quite a switch right a question up on

2059
01:38:35,640 --> 01:38:32,380
the message board did you ever consider

2060
01:38:36,390 --> 01:38:35,650
that this could this thing could be

2061
01:38:40,220 --> 01:38:36,400
interested

2062
01:38:43,860 --> 01:38:40,230
tional oh yeah you know I probably

2063
01:38:46,860 --> 01:38:43,870
mentioned that possibility in my very

2064
01:38:50,700 --> 01:38:46,870
first met cannot a couple of years after

2065
01:38:52,410 --> 01:38:50,710
the incident but you know it could be

2066
01:38:55,399 --> 01:38:52,420
interdimensional it could be time

2067
01:38:58,229 --> 01:38:55,409
travelers you know the simplest

2068
01:39:02,060 --> 01:38:58,239
explanation is you know interstellar

2069
01:39:05,760 --> 01:39:02,070
craft by conventional you know

2070
01:39:07,919 --> 01:39:05,770
high-velocity travel but anything's

2071
01:39:10,320 --> 01:39:07,929
possible and spanning the wistons might

2072
01:39:13,350 --> 01:39:10,330
be a lot easier if there's an

2073
01:39:15,450 --> 01:39:13,360
dimensional aspect to it so that they

2074
01:39:21,390 --> 01:39:15,460
could actually sort of take a shortcut

2075
01:39:24,930 --> 01:39:21,400
across the distance right all right one

2076
01:39:29,250 --> 01:39:24,940
of the things I I was impressed with as

2077
01:39:31,140 --> 01:39:29,260
we were talking before was the interior

2078
01:39:36,030 --> 01:39:31,150
when you're describing the interior of

2079
01:39:37,950 --> 01:39:36,040
the craft and and you went to this they

2080
01:39:42,320 --> 01:39:37,960
went to this room did you say that you

2081
01:39:46,530 --> 01:39:42,330
could see outside like the stars well I

2082
01:39:49,919 --> 01:39:46,540
don't know if it was actually showing

2083
01:39:52,200 --> 01:39:49,929
what it was out surrounding the craft at

2084
01:39:54,899 --> 01:39:52,210
that time or after it was a plan of

2085
01:39:57,780 --> 01:39:54,909
carrying like good projection like a map

2086
01:40:02,459 --> 01:39:57,790
projection but it the points of light

2087
01:40:04,950 --> 01:40:02,469
was star like and of course a huge

2088
01:40:07,410 --> 01:40:04,960
distances like the stars you know you

2089
01:40:08,880 --> 01:40:07,420
can't see well at the distance so you

2090
01:40:12,479 --> 01:40:08,890
know have any depth perception so I

2091
01:40:15,780 --> 01:40:12,489
don't know whether it was through the

2092
01:40:18,450 --> 01:40:15,790
walls of the craft somehow representing

2093
01:40:21,149 --> 01:40:18,460
what was on the other side I was just a

2094
01:40:25,439 --> 01:40:21,159
simple enough a planetary like

2095
01:40:27,540 --> 01:40:25,449
projection I said in though that's

2096
01:40:31,290 --> 01:40:27,550
that's totally amazing that whole thing

2097
01:40:32,669 --> 01:40:31,300
there's a chat room is kind of filled up

2098
01:40:35,760 --> 01:40:32,679
right now with some questions for you

2099
01:40:37,850 --> 01:40:35,770
Travis someone wants to know they saw

2100
01:40:39,899 --> 01:40:37,860
that you did some fundraising for a sick

2101
01:40:43,169 --> 01:40:39,909
grandchild and want to know how the

2102
01:40:46,050 --> 01:40:43,179
grandchild is doing well he's been out

2103
01:40:48,420 --> 01:40:46,060
of a hospital for over a month long and

2104
01:40:51,980 --> 01:40:48,430
great although we saw

2105
01:40:54,330 --> 01:40:51,990
cured he's doing somewhat better and I

2106
01:40:56,580 --> 01:40:54,340
went over there the other day and having

2107
01:41:00,060 --> 01:40:56,590
for a long time and you know he was

2108
01:41:01,260 --> 01:41:00,070
reacting to my voice and you know he

2109
01:41:03,930 --> 01:41:01,270
does still have some seizures

2110
01:41:08,850 --> 01:41:03,940
occasionally but when he's not he's he's

2111
01:41:12,450 --> 01:41:08,860
reacts to me turning on the medication

2112
01:41:16,950 --> 01:41:12,460
is quite sedating but aside from that

2113
01:41:20,430 --> 01:41:16,960
he's he's there still looking for up

2114
01:41:23,660 --> 01:41:20,440
here of course hmm well we hope that

2115
01:41:27,570 --> 01:41:23,670
that works out and hope he finds that

2116
01:41:30,800 --> 01:41:27,580
Lars and Seattle wants to know who wants

2117
01:41:34,440 --> 01:41:30,810
you to talk a little bit about the the

2118
01:41:37,320 --> 01:41:34,450
beam our however what affected the trees

2119
01:41:38,880 --> 01:41:37,330
in the area can you talk a little bit i

2120
01:41:41,940 --> 01:41:38,890
know the growth rings are different

2121
01:41:44,490 --> 01:41:41,950
right yeah yeah it was discovered that

2122
01:41:46,800 --> 01:41:44,500
there was accelerated growth and then

2123
01:41:49,320 --> 01:41:46,810
you'll recently just let some more

2124
01:41:53,430 --> 01:41:49,330
follow-up research that was a supervised

2125
01:41:57,360 --> 01:41:53,440
by Ben Hansen we discovered that this

2126
01:42:00,900 --> 01:41:57,370
growth factor was more intense on the

2127
01:42:03,030 --> 01:42:00,910
side of the tree in the direction of the

2128
01:42:05,400 --> 01:42:03,040
craft so it was kind of directional

2129
01:42:08,580 --> 01:42:05,410
rather than affecting the whole tree he

2130
01:42:11,670 --> 01:42:08,590
was affecting the side of the tree

2131
01:42:14,460 --> 01:42:11,680
towards the craft and that suggests that

2132
01:42:18,660 --> 01:42:14,470
there could be some kind of a radiating

2133
01:42:22,440 --> 01:42:18,670
effect and Ben Hansen also did some

2134
01:42:26,270 --> 01:42:22,450
research online and discovered that the

2135
01:42:30,290 --> 01:42:26,280
Scots pine species in the vicinity of

2136
01:42:34,850 --> 01:42:30,300
the Chernobyl nuclear accident produced

2137
01:42:37,560 --> 01:42:34,860
accelerated a wood fiber growth also so

2138
01:42:40,050 --> 01:42:37,570
it's kind of paradoxical you would think

2139
01:42:42,480 --> 01:42:40,060
that our radiation would be destructive

2140
01:42:44,880 --> 01:42:42,490
in front life but in the case of pine

2141
01:42:48,000 --> 01:42:44,890
trees at least it causes thickened

2142
01:42:53,100 --> 01:42:48,010
growth rings Wow now did you were you

2143
01:42:56,180 --> 01:42:53,110
ever tested for radiation well I wasn't

2144
01:42:59,130 --> 01:42:56,190
there the crews son of the crew were

2145
01:43:01,250 --> 01:42:59,140
when the Geiger counter survey was being

2146
01:43:05,990 --> 01:43:01,260
done at the quarry

2147
01:43:08,450 --> 01:43:06,000
at the site there was a high radiation

2148
01:43:12,200 --> 01:43:08,460
readings found on the hard hats that the

2149
01:43:14,180 --> 01:43:12,210
men have been wearing but I personally

2150
01:43:18,859 --> 01:43:14,190
other than blood tests that didn't

2151
01:43:21,410 --> 01:43:18,869
reveal any sort of a sign of radiation

2152
01:43:24,319 --> 01:43:21,420
poisoning which shantou would be

2153
01:43:26,930 --> 01:43:24,329
something like a little white cell count

2154
01:43:30,890 --> 01:43:26,940
or something okay a question up on the

2155
01:43:33,169 --> 01:43:30,900
message board let's see what was the

2156
01:43:36,799 --> 01:43:33,179
what was the scariest part of the whole

2157
01:43:40,580 --> 01:43:36,809
situation absolutely the scariest part

2158
01:43:43,040 --> 01:43:40,590
was to suddenly realize I'm trapped and

2159
01:43:46,160 --> 01:43:43,050
facing these three creatures who were

2160
01:43:48,770 --> 01:43:46,170
staring into me with their minds born

2161
01:43:51,529 --> 01:43:48,780
into mine and an attack to regain

2162
01:43:53,750 --> 01:43:51,539
control of me that was the substance of

2163
01:43:56,000 --> 01:43:53,760
them nite nite Minister months

2164
01:43:59,270 --> 01:43:56,010
afterwards so you actually felt like

2165
01:44:01,189 --> 01:43:59,280
they were boring into your mind Wow well

2166
01:44:04,910 --> 01:44:01,199
I really do think that they were

2167
01:44:08,680 --> 01:44:04,920
unsuccessful because of the effects of

2168
01:44:11,290 --> 01:44:08,690
that energy being heavy hitting me and

2169
01:44:15,140 --> 01:44:11,300
it's a burden that was the

2170
01:44:18,259 --> 01:44:15,150
electroencephalograph testing that was

2171
01:44:20,240 --> 01:44:18,269
done afterwards I remember you telling

2172
01:44:23,689 --> 01:44:20,250
me their eyes where the scariest part

2173
01:44:28,250 --> 01:44:23,699
the way they were just yeah and it seems

2174
01:44:31,839 --> 01:44:28,260
that their mind control somehow emanates

2175
01:44:37,759 --> 01:44:31,849
from the stair that they have I recently

2176
01:44:40,279 --> 01:44:37,769
on filming of 71 the movie the kids

2177
01:44:43,549 --> 01:44:40,289
school clips from Zimbabwe were there

2178
01:44:47,000 --> 01:44:43,559
and they had encountered these beans or

2179
01:44:50,240 --> 01:44:47,010
communicated to them to the stair and

2180
01:44:52,819 --> 01:44:50,250
they said to them it was not

2181
01:44:55,250 --> 01:44:52,829
uncomfortable but it was you know very

2182
01:44:57,620 --> 01:44:55,260
painless and that the message was

2183
01:45:00,049 --> 01:44:57,630
present so I'm thinking the reason it

2184
01:45:03,319 --> 01:45:00,059
was so unpleasant for me was that they

2185
01:45:05,450 --> 01:45:03,329
were having to combine forces just to

2186
01:45:07,790 --> 01:45:05,460
try to get more under control and it

2187
01:45:11,569 --> 01:45:07,800
just wasn't working and that's when you

2188
01:45:13,250 --> 01:45:11,579
grab the tool and platinum right right

2189
01:45:17,840 --> 01:45:13,260
yeah

2190
01:45:21,050 --> 01:45:17,850
let's see the EEG test was done by

2191
01:45:24,560 --> 01:45:21,060
technician who did not know my real name

2192
01:45:27,680 --> 01:45:24,570
or the nature of the injury that he was

2193
01:45:32,300 --> 01:45:27,690
looking for so it's it's not significant

2194
01:45:35,750 --> 01:45:32,310
what he recorded in the report now I see

2195
01:45:38,600 --> 01:45:35,760
go ahead are you know just little boots

2196
01:45:41,090 --> 01:45:38,610
to bubble blind yeah yeah a question

2197
01:45:43,160 --> 01:45:41,100
that I I think I asked you when I first

2198
01:45:44,930 --> 01:45:43,170
met you which is a bizarre question to

2199
01:45:47,110 --> 01:45:44,940
ask but it's up on the message board

2200
01:45:51,950 --> 01:45:47,120
again how did you go to the bathroom on

2201
01:45:55,460 --> 01:45:51,960
you were there five days well I get that

2202
01:45:57,980 --> 01:45:55,470
question but this comes from people who

2203
01:46:01,010 --> 01:45:57,990
don't understand that I was unconscious

2204
01:46:04,490 --> 01:46:01,020
or I have no memory of most of that time

2205
01:46:08,180 --> 01:46:04,500
so I'm assuming but biological process

2206
01:46:10,850 --> 01:46:08,190
is continued at the normal rate but

2207
01:46:13,610 --> 01:46:10,860
because my beard grew at the normal rate

2208
01:46:19,820 --> 01:46:13,620
I said would have had there been some

2209
01:46:23,810 --> 01:46:19,830
sort of all star pilot involved with

2210
01:46:25,880 --> 01:46:23,820
somewhere along the way right a question

2211
01:46:27,440 --> 01:46:25,890
that I think is rather an important one

2212
01:46:32,890 --> 01:46:27,450
as everyone wants to know when they can

2213
01:46:37,370 --> 01:46:32,900
see the movie and where the Travis film

2214
01:46:39,110 --> 01:46:37,380
would be shown at various times where

2215
01:46:42,890 --> 01:46:39,120
I'm appearing and jennifer has some

2216
01:46:45,650 --> 01:46:42,900
showings set up so just at the farm

2217
01:46:47,840 --> 01:46:45,660
Jennifer schedule or mind and pick a

2218
01:46:51,050 --> 01:46:47,850
time oh but more importantly you can

2219
01:46:54,830 --> 01:46:51,060
actually purchase the film in order it

2220
01:46:56,840 --> 01:46:54,840
from either Jeff or all myself oh okay

2221
01:46:59,900 --> 01:46:56,850
all right do you think eventually that

2222
01:47:03,980 --> 01:46:59,910
will be sent out to like Netflix or

2223
01:47:09,470 --> 01:47:03,990
something that Jennifer possibly i am

2224
01:47:12,350 --> 01:47:09,480
working on improving one of my

2225
01:47:16,070 --> 01:47:12,360
contractual relationships with the

2226
01:47:21,500 --> 01:47:16,080
supplier of some archive footage until i

2227
01:47:23,810 --> 01:47:21,510
can change the or improve a contract

2228
01:47:25,550 --> 01:47:23,820
that i have i had a verbal agreement to

2229
01:47:26,990 --> 01:47:25,560
go ahead and edit with some footage that

2230
01:47:30,590 --> 01:47:27,000
i was going to be able to buy right

2231
01:47:33,800 --> 01:47:30,600
two and then when I finally provided a

2232
01:47:35,930 --> 01:47:33,810
contract and a check this supplier

2233
01:47:39,950 --> 01:47:35,940
basically took my check and change the

2234
01:47:42,200 --> 01:47:39,960
contract and so I'm really kind of

2235
01:47:45,550 --> 01:47:42,210
limited to what i can do with the film

2236
01:47:48,530 --> 01:47:45,560
right now so I'm I'm sort of an illegal

2237
01:47:51,680 --> 01:47:48,540
you know quagmire and I'm trying to work

2238
01:47:53,750 --> 01:47:51,690
my way forward but the particular person

2239
01:47:55,970 --> 01:47:53,760
who owns some of this archive footage

2240
01:47:58,930 --> 01:47:55,980
has not been forthcoming so I'm finding

2241
01:48:02,450 --> 01:47:58,940
other archive footage and I'm now

2242
01:48:04,910 --> 01:48:02,460
negotiating with ABC and some other

2243
01:48:08,150 --> 01:48:04,920
people who own a former production

2244
01:48:09,890 --> 01:48:08,160
called overlords of the UFOs in which

2245
01:48:11,780 --> 01:48:09,900
there's some other archive footage we

2246
01:48:14,030 --> 01:48:11,790
can replace out you know some of the

2247
01:48:15,830 --> 01:48:14,040
footage that's in there so we'll have to

2248
01:48:18,830 --> 01:48:15,840
jump through those hurdles but right now

2249
01:48:21,620 --> 01:48:18,840
I can sell it online as a DVD and it can

2250
01:48:23,990 --> 01:48:21,630
screen at film festivals and in UFO

2251
01:48:26,990 --> 01:48:24,000
festivals so we have a screening

2252
01:48:29,630 --> 01:48:27,000
schedule up on the website called Travis

2253
01:48:32,180 --> 01:48:29,640
wet and the movie calm and we're

2254
01:48:34,100 --> 01:48:32,190
continuing to update that like every and

2255
01:48:37,460 --> 01:48:34,110
Peter Robbins has been working on

2256
01:48:39,350 --> 01:48:37,470
promotion really diligently it's how you

2257
01:48:43,190 --> 01:48:39,360
found out about it Martin wasn't right

2258
01:48:46,360 --> 01:48:43,200
Peter so we're working on having

2259
01:48:49,700 --> 01:48:46,370
screenings all over the world there in

2260
01:48:51,470 --> 01:48:49,710
gosh many many places right now there's

2261
01:48:54,110 --> 01:48:51,480
there's one going to be in Australia

2262
01:48:56,920 --> 01:48:54,120
next week they were all across Canada

2263
01:49:02,360 --> 01:48:56,930
all across the united states hawaii

2264
01:49:04,340 --> 01:49:02,370
scotland england so and we're working on

2265
01:49:06,620 --> 01:49:04,350
a connection in spain to show it in

2266
01:49:11,300 --> 01:49:06,630
spain so we're trying to get it out

2267
01:49:13,130 --> 01:49:11,310
there as much as we can write someone up

2268
01:49:15,260 --> 01:49:13,140
on the board travis wants to know if you

2269
01:49:18,970 --> 01:49:15,270
would autograph a DVD if they bought it

2270
01:49:23,450 --> 01:49:18,980
directly from you I'm sure yeah I

2271
01:49:26,630 --> 01:49:23,460
actually have some autographed copies

2272
01:49:29,420 --> 01:49:26,640
myself if they make a special request to

2273
01:49:31,940 --> 01:49:29,430
me through the website they can contact

2274
01:49:34,970 --> 01:49:31,950
me I can send them an autographed copy

2275
01:49:37,330 --> 01:49:34,980
or Travis can either either one all

2276
01:49:40,399 --> 01:49:37,340
right someone up on the message board

2277
01:49:44,000 --> 01:49:40,409
brings up another quagmire

2278
01:49:48,310 --> 01:49:44,010
they say traveling at the at bytespeed

2279
01:49:51,620 --> 01:49:48,320
is you know the time issue there

2280
01:49:53,359 --> 01:49:51,630
relativity and it could be that you

2281
01:49:56,719 --> 01:49:53,369
weren't gone that long but then again

2282
01:49:59,029 --> 01:49:56,729
you did have the five-day growth so I'm

2283
01:50:03,290 --> 01:49:59,039
going to roll this into another question

2284
01:50:08,750 --> 01:50:03,300
that's up there water food do you

2285
01:50:10,629 --> 01:50:08,760
remember anything about that I think the

2286
01:50:13,759 --> 01:50:10,639
hydration was a little bit deficient

2287
01:50:17,719 --> 01:50:13,769
there may have been a medical reason to

2288
01:50:20,299 --> 01:50:17,729
actually do that intentionally but there

2289
01:50:24,739 --> 01:50:20,309
were not signs of starvation and

2290
01:50:26,540 --> 01:50:24,749
medically afterwards so evidently there

2291
01:50:30,819 --> 01:50:26,550
was some kind of nutrition and hydration

2292
01:50:34,009 --> 01:50:30,829
and I'd like to go back to that you know

2293
01:50:36,560 --> 01:50:34,019
lightspeed a question Stanton Friedman

2294
01:50:40,100 --> 01:50:36,570
has a book out called sciences wrong and

2295
01:50:45,799 --> 01:50:40,110
he has a very good analysis of this very

2296
01:50:50,600 --> 01:50:45,809
common misconception that the most stars

2297
01:50:52,819 --> 01:50:50,610
are just impossibly too far away for did

2298
01:50:55,699 --> 01:50:52,829
you get there by conventional you know

2299
01:50:58,689 --> 01:50:55,709
in Newtonian physics but that's not the

2300
01:51:02,779 --> 01:50:58,699
case and he lays out the math how

2301
01:51:05,870 --> 01:51:02,789
accelerating at less acceleration than

2302
01:51:09,409 --> 01:51:05,880
you would from say a real good fast

2303
01:51:13,580 --> 01:51:09,419
sports car but it's still achievable

2304
01:51:15,819 --> 01:51:13,590
with infeasible time and it was very

2305
01:51:18,439 --> 01:51:15,829
good analysis of laying out in the math

2306
01:51:20,109 --> 01:51:18,449
the way the you know the common

2307
01:51:23,299 --> 01:51:20,119
misconception that you would have to

2308
01:51:25,509 --> 01:51:23,309
accelerate at 1g for half the journey

2309
01:51:31,339 --> 01:51:25,519
and then decelerated at the other half

2310
01:51:34,609 --> 01:51:31,349
is not true you would accelerate much

2311
01:51:36,890 --> 01:51:34,619
higher rate initially but because of the

2312
01:51:38,689 --> 01:51:36,900
conservation of momentum you're never

2313
01:51:41,209 --> 01:51:38,699
going to have to add more energy after

2314
01:51:44,469 --> 01:51:41,219
that point and you will continue at that

2315
01:51:49,819 --> 01:51:44,479
speed for the remainder of the journey

2316
01:51:51,470 --> 01:51:49,829
so the mass does work out but it is

2317
01:51:53,910 --> 01:51:51,480
feasible

2318
01:51:57,180 --> 01:51:53,920
with conventional technology that we

2319
01:51:59,700 --> 01:51:57,190
have now to cross some kind of list

2320
01:52:02,400 --> 01:51:59,710
inches uh-huh another question up there

2321
01:52:05,750 --> 01:52:02,410
have you ever been approached by anyone

2322
01:52:08,610 --> 01:52:05,760
that suspiciously could be government

2323
01:52:11,550 --> 01:52:08,620
yeah I've often wondered about certain

2324
01:52:14,220 --> 01:52:11,560
people who posed as journalists coming

2325
01:52:19,860 --> 01:52:14,230
along and doing in-depth interviews that

2326
01:52:23,040 --> 01:52:19,870
never really know reach publication but

2327
01:52:24,180 --> 01:52:23,050
no one identifying themselves from the

2328
01:52:26,100 --> 01:52:24,190
government you know they're not going to

2329
01:52:29,640 --> 01:52:26,110
pull up to my the curb in front of my

2330
01:52:32,340 --> 01:52:29,650
house and the black car with government

2331
01:52:35,729 --> 01:52:32,350
plates and get out with military

2332
01:52:39,600 --> 01:52:35,739
uniforms or whatever they have their

2333
01:52:42,180 --> 01:52:39,610
ways and bringing it up things and that

2334
01:52:45,240 --> 01:52:42,190
was conspicuously absent from any

2335
01:52:49,920 --> 01:52:45,250
contact I had nothing over because

2336
01:52:53,370 --> 01:52:49,930
obviously to do so would be implying

2337
01:52:55,430 --> 01:52:53,380
that they're taking it seriously if you

2338
01:52:58,470 --> 01:52:55,440
intend to suppress it you don't

2339
01:53:02,660 --> 01:52:58,480
recognize that you try to kill it by

2340
01:53:06,000 --> 01:53:02,670
ignoring it well what can you do now

2341
01:53:08,520 --> 01:53:06,010
Travis one of the things up when I was

2342
01:53:13,020 --> 01:53:08,530
talking to the allagash you know people

2343
01:53:16,979 --> 01:53:13,030
there their lives changed you know

2344
01:53:20,030 --> 01:53:16,989
dramatically their artwork did and one

2345
01:53:22,860 --> 01:53:20,040
of them all of a sudden became really

2346
01:53:26,520 --> 01:53:22,870
proficient at math who never really had

2347
01:53:29,190 --> 01:53:26,530
much of interest in it did anything like

2348
01:53:32,340 --> 01:53:29,200
that change we only have a we only have

2349
01:53:35,400 --> 01:53:32,350
about three minutes left so anything

2350
01:53:36,630 --> 01:53:35,410
like that change yeah but that's the

2351
01:53:39,030 --> 01:53:36,640
kind of stuff I don't like to talk about

2352
01:53:43,080 --> 01:53:39,040
because I'd like to be with leverage our

2353
01:53:46,800 --> 01:53:43,090
bit yeah they're possibly some things

2354
01:53:50,670 --> 01:53:46,810
room for roots sure and you don't want

2355
01:53:52,380 --> 01:53:50,680
to talk about I I can respect that so we

2356
01:53:56,190 --> 01:53:52,390
have like we just have a couple minutes

2357
01:53:58,170 --> 01:53:56,200
left and is there a sign I want to make

2358
01:54:03,420 --> 01:53:58,180
sure that people get the word where they

2359
01:54:04,890 --> 01:54:03,430
can get the film and check out both your

2360
01:54:08,700 --> 01:54:04,900
website Jennifer

2361
01:54:11,790 --> 01:54:08,710
kids ask I know it yours is oh I'm sorry

2362
01:54:13,979 --> 01:54:11,800
what is your website Jennifer if if it's

2363
01:54:16,979 --> 01:54:13,989
easy for people to remember Travis

2364
01:54:19,680 --> 01:54:16,989
Walton the movie com if they googled

2365
01:54:22,020 --> 01:54:19,690
that they'll get right to the zone

2366
01:54:23,520 --> 01:54:22,030
website and that's my own wings

2367
01:54:26,340 --> 01:54:23,530
production site they're one in the same

2368
01:54:28,709 --> 01:54:26,350
I've put two URLs together while we're

2369
01:54:31,350 --> 01:54:28,719
promoting the film so Travis Walton the

2370
01:54:34,439 --> 01:54:31,360
movie com they'll get to my site they

2371
01:54:36,330 --> 01:54:34,449
can contact me and the other major thing

2372
01:54:39,930 --> 01:54:36,340
people should know about us they can get

2373
01:54:41,459 --> 01:54:39,940
involved and participate in the

2374
01:54:44,280 --> 01:54:41,469
conference issue that can come to the

2375
01:54:47,430 --> 01:54:44,290
40th anniversary event in Hebrew Arizona

2376
01:54:49,169 --> 01:54:47,440
and if they go to sky fire summit com

2377
01:54:53,340 --> 01:54:49,179
they can learn about this upcoming

2378
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conference they can register online that

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can plan to be there it'll be a really

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special event to be at and and we would

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love to see them and if people are

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interested in arranging a screening they

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can contact me through the you know

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Travis Walton the movie calm and we can

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discuss what's involved in that and I

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you know I can kind of you know give

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them the the steps that are involved

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it's not that complicated and if

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somebody wants to show the film with a

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group of people at a public library or

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something i'm i'm very interested to

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01:55:28,290 --> 01:55:26,290
talk to them and Travis your website if

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01:55:31,350 --> 01:55:28,300
you would and can people contact you

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01:55:33,780 --> 01:55:31,360
from your website yeah those are

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01:55:35,970 --> 01:55:33,790
directly for to email me through Travis

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Walton com which is kind of similar to

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travel throughout the movie but just

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drop the movie and you got me Jarvis

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Walton calm all right very good well

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it's been a real pleasure and Travis I'm

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01:55:52,740 --> 01:55:49,840
glad we finally got ahold of you job

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01:55:56,310 --> 01:55:52,750
without the miscommunication but we

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little bit alright well alright so

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that's it I want to thank thank you both

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very much for for joining us and Travis

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um sure we'll be crossing paths along

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with a long with you so that's it

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everyone for the show thank you the

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guests of course and I want to also

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thank Peggy shunning for managing our

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longer than you are supporter I really

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appreciate that and we have t-shirts on

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great discount to any supporter and so

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that's it for the show and we'll be back

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next week on the Dark Matter radio

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